Lachstock and Four Turbo Charged Cylinders ['04 NB SE]

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Re: Lachstock and Four Turbo Charged Cylinders ['04 NB SE]

Postby ManiacLachy » Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:16 am

WARNING: THIS IS A PICTURE HEAVY POST

Yesterday I went down to the Gold Coast to visit with mechanic Darren, discuss how things were going and pick up some old parts. While I was there Darren installed the Flyin Miata coolant re-route, and the AC technician came by to do up a new hose. And our good friend Daffy even came by at the start for a chin wag :mrgreen:

Unfortunately I didn't get great photos of the AC hose, but essentially the hose runs from the firewall near the AC dryer and ABS "ocotpus", and occupies the same space as the dump pipe! So the hose had to move. Darren opted to go in board, between the dump pipe and the bock, and under the exhaust manifold to the AC compressor. The hose was of course covered in a fire/heat resistant sheeth! I'd also mentioned my AC worked OK in winter, but was useless in summer despite a re-gas a couple of years ago, so the tech pressure tested the system and we found a small leak in the dryer which will be sealed up. I might actually have decent AC next summer!

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I took this photo to show DP clearance, but it's actually good to describe the AC hose. It goes from the barb at the top, straight down where the DP is, but now will swing left towards the block, then under.

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Pressure testing and searching for leaks

After a little conern about the fitment of the re-route hose, Darren re-angled the clutch line, and we found a path for the hose from the the back of the head to the FM cross flow rad. It might need one or two sacrafical cuttoffs to protect against a few rub points, but I think we're good. We're going to completely remove the water neck and block it off at the head with the supplied plate, a hose will have to go from the water neck all the way over to the oil cooler/warmer, as both the ports on the water neck and the throttle body are no longer there.

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The FM re-route hosing ready to go in. The 2 narrow brass barbs at the top right are for the turbo coolant feed & return

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And fitted in place, there's decent room to maneuver it into place, but cleaning the old gasket off was tricky

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The other side

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The hose path wasn't as bad as first thought

A few exhaust fitment issues presetned,the muffler is sitting a little bit high and the exhaust tip is rubbing the bottom of the bootom of the boot where the battery sits. Some longer rubber bushes should make for the clearance. There's also some small contact with the diff where the exhaust snakes under to the muffler. There's a casting tab there that we'll cut off to fix that. And the O2 sensor bung is a bit far down the pipe, so the O2 sensor will bump into the OEM exhaust heat shiled, which will need a trim. Nothing major, all of this is manageable.

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The exhaust tip is a little high, but the real issue is behind this where it's bumping the boot floor

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The exhaust is rubbing that square edge casting on the diff, but should be an easy fix with a grinder

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The coated DB should really hlep prevent the trans tunnel getting too hot. The front edge of the heat shield will need to be trimmed, right where that fron mounting bolt is.

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I just liked this shot of the DP and manifold without the turbo, you can see the coating is inside as well as outsdie the metal

With the bumper off and the car not leaving the workshop too soon, I thought now was the perfect time to pull the headlights and get them professionally re-furbed. You have to remove the bumper to pull the lights, so now was the perfect chance. They've got som discolouration and hazing and I'd like the restore them to like new.

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Lights out for re-furbish

I was curious how the old stock IHI turbo had fared after 17 years and 210k kms, and well, the compressor wheel is toast! The blades are chipped and actually curling back on themselves, suggesting 16psi might be too much for strength of those blades. Not too much play in the shaft though, so I suppose the bearings are still in decent conditions. And for anyone wondering, the OEM oil drain is intact!

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I think I'll clean this up and keep it as a trophy

Later this week the man will be coming to fab up the IC piping, which is exciting. But there's still a lot to do, a lot of the small jobs that can add up. I'm really happy with the progress being made and seeing my car yesterday was great, I can't wait to be driving it again!

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Re: Lachstock and Four Turbo Charged Cylinders ['04 NB SE]

Postby greenMachine » Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:37 pm

ManiacLachy wrote: But there's still a lot to do, a lot of the small jobs that can add up.


Maybe not small, but sealing the radiator and ALL holes etc where air can bypass the radiator might be one of those on the list? If the front is off the car, easy peasy. That should (maybe) help with the air con too, more air circulating around the condenser. Wile you are at it, don't overlook the loss of cooling air out through the front garnish.

Hadn't seen the FM reroute, big lump! I've the Qmax, not yet installed. Was the FM a difficult install on the back of the head?

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Re: Lachstock and Four Turbo Charged Cylinders ['04 NB SE]

Postby ManiacLachy » Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:34 am

No plan to seal up the mouth just yet, though I know it's beneficial. I have a "diversion" panel on top of the radiator, and the OEM under-tray. That reminds me, I need a new under-tray, the SE one is pretty much toast at this stage. I didn't have engine cooling issues previously, and now with FM Crossflow rad + Coolant reroute it should be even more stable. Also, I don't want to delay the return of the car any longer than necessary. Though I will eventually do some ducting I'm sure.

The FM re-route is a little bigger than the Q-Max, it certainly not as sleek in the curves, but the extra barbs to the turbo coolant feed/return help give the appearance it's bigger than it is. Honestly the room back there wasn't too bad, we have deleted the EGR so that would have freed some space. Darren found cleaning the old gasket off the hardest, but actually fitting the unit in place and bolting it up was easy.

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Re: Lachstock and Four Turbo Charged Cylinders ['04 NB SE]

Postby The American » Sat Feb 20, 2021 6:05 pm

Not long now :D

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Re: Lachstock and Four Turbo Charged Cylinders ['04 NB SE]

Postby Daffy » Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:24 pm

I’m loving this, can’t wait to see the end result. I took the Problem Child down to Daz’s Friday morning- both Daz and piping/exhaust/welding guru Dave had a bit of a poke around to get re rout ideas going for Lachy, it was like the old Blues Brothers quote.... “we getting the band back together” :mrgreen:
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Re: Lachstock and Four Turbo Charged Cylinders ['04 NB SE]

Postby ManiacLachy » Sun Feb 21, 2021 9:51 am

It's 106 miles to Chicago, we've got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark and we're wearing sunglasses.

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Re: Lachstock and Four Turbo Charged Cylinders ['04 NB SE]

Postby PaulF » Mon Feb 22, 2021 7:59 am

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Re: Lachstock and Four Turbo Charged Cylinders ['04 NB SE]

Postby manga_blue » Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:20 am

BTW I added a section of alloy tubing to my main return hose to make it easier to clamp to the manifold. I just did a temp attachment with cable ties meaning to fix it later but it's been good for 5 years now.

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Re: Lachstock and Four Turbo Charged Cylinders ['04 NB SE]

Postby The American » Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:53 am

manga_blue wrote:BTW I added a section of alloy tubing to my main return hose to make it easier to clamp to the manifold. I just did a temp attachment with cable ties meaning to fix it later but it's been good for 5 years now.


I'm going to have a go at this with mine. The flat top manifold has the two top bolts for the manifold brace that might be a convenient spot to mount to.

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Re: Lachstock and Four Turbo Charged Cylinders ['04 NB SE]

Postby manga_blue » Mon Feb 22, 2021 12:33 pm

I had to keep the manifold brace because it's a BP05 manifold bolted to a BP4W head via an adaptor plate. There's an angle bracket sandwiched in the manifold support except I haven't finished off the job properly :roll:
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Re: Lachstock and Four Turbo Charged Cylinders ['04 NB SE]

Postby Roadrunner » Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:21 pm

The American wrote:
manga_blue wrote:BTW I added a section of alloy tubing to my main return hose to make it easier to clamp to the manifold. I just did a temp attachment with cable ties meaning to fix it later but it's been good for 5 years now.


I'm going to have a go at this with mine. The flat top manifold has the two top bolts for the manifold brace that might be a convenient spot to mount to.


I did the same as the reroute hose came very close to rubbing on the fuel damper bracket. I used a rubber padded P-Clamp to the supprt brace to pull it towards the engine a bit. A short s-shaped hose on the rad inlet brings the reroute hose down level and helps clear everything easier (and looks neater imo).
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Re: Lachstock and Four Turbo Charged Cylinders ['04 NB SE]

Postby ManiacLachy » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:43 am

I was considering adding in a hard pipe, it is very close to a few brackets etc and could wear. It does add extra fail points, but at least they're easy to spot and monitor in that location. I'll see how it goes to start with, add some sacrificial shielding as needed and revisit the hard pipe idea if needed.

Also, Darren has bored out the baffle holes under the valve cover, but thinks the OEM ports should suffice as is, still need to install a new catch can solution though.

Intercooler pipes were fabbed up on Friday, we're still moving forward. And I dropped the headlights down the road this morning to a detailing shop for restoration, $50 per headlight seemed decent value to me.

I need to sell the NA before the SE comes home to make room in the garage!

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Re: Lachstock and Four Turbo Charged Cylinders ['04 NB SE]

Postby manga_blue » Tue Feb 23, 2021 12:17 pm

Roadrunner wrote:A short s-shaped hose on the rad inlet brings the reroute hose down level and helps clear everything easier (and looks neater imo).

Yes, I should have looked harder for a sharper S for the front hose to help it clear the throttle body. I'm just making do with that little padded section to stop it rubbing through there.
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Re: Lachstock and Four Turbo Charged Cylinders ['04 NB SE]

Postby ManiacLachy » Mon Mar 08, 2021 4:03 pm

The NA has been sold!

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Hobbes sat with the NA one last time

We've all seen the asking prices for cars lately, and I'm sure wondered how the getting price compares to the asking price, so I thought I would share how it was for me and my time with the NA.

I bought the car ~6 months ago for $9k, the car was in Melbourne and it was unregistered, it had ~240k km. I had to pay to transport it up and get it registerd in Queensland. So, add ~$1260 for a total of $10,260 on road. (Transport $782, RWC $100, Rego: $381).

I spent a little money tidying the car up, as documented here, new headunit and speakers, OEM wheels, good condition OEM steering wheel, good condition NB softtop, shifter rebuild, new scuff plates, new window moulding. And maintenance like the radiator flush with new thermostat and rad cap. Mostly discressionary spending, but I think it brought the car up to a good standard. Certianily the car left me in better condition than it arrived, but it was always a strong running car and enjoyable to drive.

I took photos of it on a Saturday afternoon (with a proper camera, not a phone), wrote up an honest, detailed ad and posted for sale on FaceBook Monday lunch time, I posted the ad here too (https://mx5cartalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=73&t=79073). Tuesday saw 3 in person inspections (working from home is fantastic!), and had a bit of interstate interest as well. I decided that as it was early in the process and I had strong interest, I would take $500 off my price that week if offered. All 3 inspections offered but below that point and I explained to them my position. Wednesday one of them came back to me with $11,500 and we agreed, pending a good RWC inspection booked for Thursday. The car passed with no problems, as I was confident it would, and the car left to it's new home on Friday.

I paid more for the car than I really thought I should, especially considering the costs of transport and registration. Then the condition it arrived in was disappointing as well. But for me to sell the car so quickly (less than 3 days!), asking for $12k was surprising, and it shows the reality of the current market. I priced it to sell fast, but that price would have be absurd pre-covid. There is a lot of FOMO out there, prices are rising still and people want to get in! I don't think the rises will last forever, but I don't think prices will drop signifciantly either.

Anyway, my time with the NA is done. I'm glad I had the experience, and I'm glad I didn't lose too much out of pocket for it. I expected to fall in love with the NA after all I've read about them being "the better MX-5", but while I had fun, we didn't connect - it just wasn't for me. I know now the SE is where my heart is, and I can't wait to get it back on the road.

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Re: Lachstock and Four Turbo Charged Cylinders ['04 NB SE]

Postby ManiacLachy » Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:13 pm

No update on the SE since February :( The work is being done in fits and spurts between other short jobs and it seems Darren hasn't had a clear window of time to finish or progress my car. Other than the rain, the weather has been really nice lately and it's torture!

I really want my car back, it's been about 14 months since I last drove it. :cry:


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