SP or ND2?

bootz · Postby **bootz** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:24 pm

smy0003 wrote:The ND will likely soilder on for many years to come with the current economic outlook.

Had another stroke of lunacy/genius the other night.

Harrop in Melbourne (I'm in Melbourne) will supercharge and fully engineer an 86/BRZ for $11k.
Considering you can get an 86 for $15k, a 180wkw, legal, lightish coupe sounds pretty good.

Harrop did the supercharger for the TRD Aurion as well as the Lotus Exige, and the kit looks very high quality.

What would be a real stroke of lunacy is a TRD 86 with the SC from factory.

greenMachine · Postby **greenMachine** » Sun Jul 26, 2020 3:56 pm

lucmor444 wrote: It's stock chassis set up also, based on many reports, appears to be better than a stock ND set up.

Not when I last looked. Maybe they now have wishbones all round, I don't know, or really care ...

As someone who was fascinated about superchargers once, I would now say 'no thanks'. Turbo it for $11k, and you have my attention

lucmor444 · Postby **lucmor444** » Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:40 pm

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Then why comment?

A specification doesn’t, in itself, guarantee an outcome.

greenMachine · Postby **greenMachine** » Sun Jul 26, 2020 5:44 pm

lucmor444 wrote:

..........I don't know, or really care ...

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Then why comment?

A specification doesn’t, in itself, guarantee an outcome.

Two reasons I commented. To question a statement I believe to be questionable. And to note that a turbo conversion would be my preference, given its WRX heritage.

Agree, a spec doesn't mean a lot by itself - the acid test is what it delivers, and the MX specs are a proven success. The 86 seems to produce a good outcome from its specs, but I have not seen anything that places it above the MX for handling - happy to see those references you cited, I'm always open to changing my mind. Until I then, I hold the view that the 86 is slightly inferior to the MX as a sportscar, and hence my 86 care factor is low.

Not sure this thread is the place to debate the merits of the 86 though. Maybe we need a new thread: '86 or MX5'?

:mrgreen:

CeramicND · Postby **CeramicND** » Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:01 pm

86 would appear to the best possible road/track performance from the cheapest possible suspension set-up. MX5, the best possible suspension set-up tuned primarily for back road performance.

My son has a Clio RS200 and I can't believe when the car is on a hoist just how cheap the engineering is underneath. Definitely built to a price.

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smy0003 · Postby **smy0003** » Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:15 pm

CeramicND wrote:86 would appear to the best possible road/track performance from the cheapest possible suspension set-up. MX5, the best possible suspension set-up tuned primarily for back road performance.

My son has a Clio RS200 and I can't believe when the car is on a hoist just how cheap the engineering is underneath. Definitely built to a price.

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Agreed, my RS250 megane has a torsion beam rear, but handles better than my NA and NB MX-5's.
One of the best handling cars out there, and it's not that harsh on rough roads either.

smy0003 · Postby **smy0003** » Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:19 pm

greenMachine wrote:
lucmor444 wrote: It's stock chassis set up also, based on many reports, appears to be better than a stock ND set up.

Not when I last looked. Maybe they now have wishbones all round, I don't know, or really care ...

As someone who was fascinated about superchargers once, I would now say 'no thanks'. Turbo it for $11k, and you have my attention

Agree RE turbo, but I'll take whatever forced induction that can be made legal in Vic.
The fact that it's by a company with fairly extensive experience supplying OE to Toyota and Lotus is a big draw also.