Lachstock and Four Turbo Charged Cylinders ['04 NB SE]
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Re: Lachstock and Four Turbo Charged Cylinders ['04 NB SE]
It's been a bad news/good news weekend. I swore. A lot. I had to walk out of the garage numerous times to calm down. But the car runs once more!
Right, first the bad news part. I bought a harmonic damper pulley, stripped the front of the engine once again, popped the timing belt off the head and attached the puller. It moved the ATI damper a few mm before the tool was borked.
All set
Don't forget to stretch before attempting any work on your car
Well, frack! The "ducks foot" was also stretched on it's internal threads. I returned the kit to Total Tools who were quite surprised and swapped it out for another with no fuss. Credit to them. Just hope the new one works better than the old one.
Take 2, this time with more thread engagement!
This worked better, but took a few on and off steps to get the pulley fully removed. I was pressing against the crank bolt. I didn't want to press against the crank directly for fear of damaging the threads. For the last bit the crank bolt didn't have enough thread engagement, so I used a socket instead.
This got the pulley off! That was a relief. Looks like I didn't put the key in the wrong way, but it certainly was a problem. It had bound up on something and got fully munted!
The brown stuff is copper anti-seize lube used during install
That's meant to be straight, right?
And to the bad news is, the keyway in the ATI Damper was damaged.
Commence swearing like a sailor
Thankfully the crank is made of stronger stuff and looked undamaged.
https://i.imgur.com/zyml5UB.jpg
A little out of focus, but looks OK
I'm going to have to get the Damper repaired, not sure on that process yet though. But I couldn't wait for it. I put tools down for the day to collect my thoughts and think on it. Ultimately decided to re-install the OEM sproket/damper/trigger wheel. A bit disappointed by all of this.
To Be Continued ...
Right, first the bad news part. I bought a harmonic damper pulley, stripped the front of the engine once again, popped the timing belt off the head and attached the puller. It moved the ATI damper a few mm before the tool was borked.
All set
Don't forget to stretch before attempting any work on your car
Well, frack! The "ducks foot" was also stretched on it's internal threads. I returned the kit to Total Tools who were quite surprised and swapped it out for another with no fuss. Credit to them. Just hope the new one works better than the old one.
Take 2, this time with more thread engagement!
This worked better, but took a few on and off steps to get the pulley fully removed. I was pressing against the crank bolt. I didn't want to press against the crank directly for fear of damaging the threads. For the last bit the crank bolt didn't have enough thread engagement, so I used a socket instead.
This got the pulley off! That was a relief. Looks like I didn't put the key in the wrong way, but it certainly was a problem. It had bound up on something and got fully munted!
The brown stuff is copper anti-seize lube used during install
That's meant to be straight, right?
And to the bad news is, the keyway in the ATI Damper was damaged.
Commence swearing like a sailor
Thankfully the crank is made of stronger stuff and looked undamaged.
https://i.imgur.com/zyml5UB.jpg
A little out of focus, but looks OK
I'm going to have to get the Damper repaired, not sure on that process yet though. But I couldn't wait for it. I put tools down for the day to collect my thoughts and think on it. Ultimately decided to re-install the OEM sproket/damper/trigger wheel. A bit disappointed by all of this.
To Be Continued ...
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Re: Lachstock and Four Turbo Charged Cylinders ['04 NB SE]
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Bugger!! Good luck mate.
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Re: Lachstock and Four Turbo Charged Cylinders ['04 NB SE]
Sunday morning saw me back in the garage, the plan to install the OEM gear, get the timing belt installed, then go to the gym.
The OEM stuff went in nice and easy, and the FM crank tool made torquing the crank bolt so much easier, this thing is a god-send.
Getting the timing belt installed and timed was very very frustrating, but in the end I got it done.
At this point I kept thinking "I'll just do this one more thing, and call it a day". Which eventually saw me installing the radiator, filling it and starting it! And after a long crank it coughed to life! I was very happy, I thought for sure I'd have messed up the timing, or put the trigger wheel on backwards, or something!
Hallelujah!
I flushed the radiator with some Penrite flush fluid and de-mineralised water. Checked the fans were coming on and the thermostat was opening. All was working as it should! After it cooled, I drained the fluid, refilled with just de-minieralised water and ran it through another heat cycle.
And that's when I called it a day! Sadly, I was a little to drained to get to the gym, didn't think I'd stand up very well to heavy squats that I had programmed and had to do them this morning instead.
So, all that's left to get this thing back on the road now is the suspension. That'll be next weekend's fun. Then it needs a drive and a good wash, it's gotten quite dirty and dusty sitting in the garage for so long!
The OEM stuff went in nice and easy, and the FM crank tool made torquing the crank bolt so much easier, this thing is a god-send.
Getting the timing belt installed and timed was very very frustrating, but in the end I got it done.
At this point I kept thinking "I'll just do this one more thing, and call it a day". Which eventually saw me installing the radiator, filling it and starting it! And after a long crank it coughed to life! I was very happy, I thought for sure I'd have messed up the timing, or put the trigger wheel on backwards, or something!
Hallelujah!
I flushed the radiator with some Penrite flush fluid and de-mineralised water. Checked the fans were coming on and the thermostat was opening. All was working as it should! After it cooled, I drained the fluid, refilled with just de-minieralised water and ran it through another heat cycle.
And that's when I called it a day! Sadly, I was a little to drained to get to the gym, didn't think I'd stand up very well to heavy squats that I had programmed and had to do them this morning instead.
So, all that's left to get this thing back on the road now is the suspension. That'll be next weekend's fun. Then it needs a drive and a good wash, it's gotten quite dirty and dusty sitting in the garage for so long!
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Re: Lachstock and Four Turbo Charged Cylinders ['04 NB SE]
I've always credited my Dad for vastly expanding my knowledge of the English vocabulary during his many mechanical forey's during my childhood ... I'm proud to say I've carried on the tradition with my two boys during my own
After that saga, I reckon my only leg squats would have been getting up and down for a few beers ...
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KevGoat wrote:After that saga, I reckon my only leg squats would have been getting up and down for a few beers ...
I have a powerlifting competition coming up in ~3 weeks, I've been on the wagon (no booze) for a month now, aiming to last until after the comp. Alcohol really does affect your ability to perform physically, as well as your recovery. I like to say I drink regularly, but don't binge, ie: I usually drink a beer (or a glass of wine) or two most week nights, a few more on the weekend, rarely ever properly drunk though. So a month with none is a big change for me, I was proud I'd gone so long.
I cracked yesterday, and had 2 beers. It was too hot, too much effort, and overall a result worth celebrating.
Felt good!
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Yeah it was an achievement day worth celebrating for sure! Good luck on the comp when it comes up!
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Re: Lachstock and Four Turbo Charged Cylinders ['04 NB SE]
Oh man what a ride! Sucks about the ATI damper and keyway, but good news on getting it back up and running again. Oh the joys of DIY hey
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Spoiler alert! The car went for a drive
Her natural habitat, the E85 watering hole
Let's roll back a little ways. A few months ago I noticed that both front shocks were leaking again after only having just been serviced. Frustrated I swapped back to the OEM shocks and sent the offending fronts off to be repaired again. This time they had to replace the centre shaft which had been dented and was allowing oil to leak. I only had to pay for the new parts as this should have been picked up on the original service.
This dent is the result of the shock bending as it moves through its range of motion, and then as it compresses while it's bent it can dent the shaft. To prevent this happening again I picked up some Supermiata Xida Co-axial top hats. These swap out the fixed top had for one what will allow the shaft to tilt where it meets the top hat, allowing the shaft to stay straight and not bend. The downside is apparently a little more noise.
Picture dump!
The coaxial top hat components
The old parts being replaced
The underside exposed
Spring locator and conical bearing
Topside
Underside comparison
That last photo shows the functional difference. The conical bearing allows the spring and the shaft to tilt in relation to the top hat. But it's a solid bearing mount, no rubber bushings so there could be more vibration and noise.
I also picked up some new torrington bearings as mine had rusted a bit and no longer allowed the springs to rotate as freely, just another step taken to ensure the shocks can do their job without any hindrance.
Rust old torrington's vs clean new ones. The photo doesn't really show the difference, but the old ones wouldn't glide very smoothly, the new ones are butter
The freshly rebuilt shocks had to go in while the car was up in the air for the timing belt, so after getting the car started this was the next step. I'm well practiced at the process by now so it went quite painlessly. Until I went to fit the sway bar. Then I started swearing again.
First, the 1.125" Racing Beat sway bar will no longer manoeuvre into position with the new sway bar braces in place, they just take up a little too much space to reduce the angles. I needed to remove the lower radiator hose, which was fine as I needed to drain the final flush and re-fill with a coolant mix.
Then the bolts for the sway just wouldn't quite line up nicely into the bracket. Especially that bastard right above the cold side intercooler piping. In fact, that bolt hole turned out to be slightly threaded! I had to remove the sway bar brace, and finally bit the bullet and pulled the IC piping out. Ran a tap down the brace, and die over every bolt, then refit the brace and sway bar, and finally put the IC pipe back in.
The bolt to the left is the trouble maker, the IC pipe loop is right under it and getting a socket on the bolt is impossible
And lastly, I can no longer then the bar on the soft setting. It looks like the geometry of the new braces are slightly different to the OEM, and the ends of the bar are now closer to the shock, and the endlinks have very very little clearance to the shocks on the soft holes. Even the sway bar ends are a little close and may need to be ground down for additional clearance.
Nope
But then all was done. Just fill the rad and burp, fit the undertray and fender liners, quick height adjustment to the Xidas. Then on Saturday I took it for a test drive to get lunch and some fresh E85. It wasn't much of a performance/handling drive, but up and down a main drag with traffic and lights etc, she behaved perfectly. Fans cycled, the engine didn't overheat, no leaks, no scary noises. And it was a lot of fun to be back in the MX-5!
Yay!
Her natural habitat, the E85 watering hole
Let's roll back a little ways. A few months ago I noticed that both front shocks were leaking again after only having just been serviced. Frustrated I swapped back to the OEM shocks and sent the offending fronts off to be repaired again. This time they had to replace the centre shaft which had been dented and was allowing oil to leak. I only had to pay for the new parts as this should have been picked up on the original service.
This dent is the result of the shock bending as it moves through its range of motion, and then as it compresses while it's bent it can dent the shaft. To prevent this happening again I picked up some Supermiata Xida Co-axial top hats. These swap out the fixed top had for one what will allow the shaft to tilt where it meets the top hat, allowing the shaft to stay straight and not bend. The downside is apparently a little more noise.
Picture dump!
The coaxial top hat components
The old parts being replaced
The underside exposed
Spring locator and conical bearing
Topside
Underside comparison
That last photo shows the functional difference. The conical bearing allows the spring and the shaft to tilt in relation to the top hat. But it's a solid bearing mount, no rubber bushings so there could be more vibration and noise.
I also picked up some new torrington bearings as mine had rusted a bit and no longer allowed the springs to rotate as freely, just another step taken to ensure the shocks can do their job without any hindrance.
Rust old torrington's vs clean new ones. The photo doesn't really show the difference, but the old ones wouldn't glide very smoothly, the new ones are butter
The freshly rebuilt shocks had to go in while the car was up in the air for the timing belt, so after getting the car started this was the next step. I'm well practiced at the process by now so it went quite painlessly. Until I went to fit the sway bar. Then I started swearing again.
First, the 1.125" Racing Beat sway bar will no longer manoeuvre into position with the new sway bar braces in place, they just take up a little too much space to reduce the angles. I needed to remove the lower radiator hose, which was fine as I needed to drain the final flush and re-fill with a coolant mix.
Then the bolts for the sway just wouldn't quite line up nicely into the bracket. Especially that bastard right above the cold side intercooler piping. In fact, that bolt hole turned out to be slightly threaded! I had to remove the sway bar brace, and finally bit the bullet and pulled the IC piping out. Ran a tap down the brace, and die over every bolt, then refit the brace and sway bar, and finally put the IC pipe back in.
The bolt to the left is the trouble maker, the IC pipe loop is right under it and getting a socket on the bolt is impossible
And lastly, I can no longer then the bar on the soft setting. It looks like the geometry of the new braces are slightly different to the OEM, and the ends of the bar are now closer to the shock, and the endlinks have very very little clearance to the shocks on the soft holes. Even the sway bar ends are a little close and may need to be ground down for additional clearance.
Nope
But then all was done. Just fill the rad and burp, fit the undertray and fender liners, quick height adjustment to the Xidas. Then on Saturday I took it for a test drive to get lunch and some fresh E85. It wasn't much of a performance/handling drive, but up and down a main drag with traffic and lights etc, she behaved perfectly. Fans cycled, the engine didn't overheat, no leaks, no scary noises. And it was a lot of fun to be back in the MX-5!
Yay!
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Re: Lachstock and Four Turbo Charged Cylinders ['04 NB SE]
The joys of DIY
That top photo in the previous post looks great - you should send it into some of the Enkei vendors to use on their site.
Prior to seeing the rims on your car, I could never figure what colour rims suited Sunlight Silver (presumedly because the Silver is so light in colour that darker colours simply make the wheels look heavy to me - the black tyres against the silver rims and body provide "the right" amount of contrast IMO).
That top photo in the previous post looks great - you should send it into some of the Enkei vendors to use on their site.
Prior to seeing the rims on your car, I could never figure what colour rims suited Sunlight Silver (presumedly because the Silver is so light in colour that darker colours simply make the wheels look heavy to me - the black tyres against the silver rims and body provide "the right" amount of contrast IMO).
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Silver on silver is just a timeless classic look. This occurred to me while browsing through some photos from the Petersen museum in L.A., showcasing some classic sports and race cars, they had a collection of silver cars in one room and they all had silver wheels. It just looked right!
I was getting pretty down right frustrated with DIY by the end, I've got to tell you. Glad to have had a drive, if only briefly and in traffic. I don't know how you're lasting so long without driving Gina. It feels like it's been a long time since you had much seat time.
I was getting pretty down right frustrated with DIY by the end, I've got to tell you. Glad to have had a drive, if only briefly and in traffic. I don't know how you're lasting so long without driving Gina. It feels like it's been a long time since you had much seat time.
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Good work mate, glad to see it on the road again.
Now, about that catch up.......
Now, about that catch up.......
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Re: Lachstock and Four Turbo Charged Cylinders ['04 NB SE]
Yep, must do. I have a few days off between Christmas and NYE if you're about, otherwise I should have some time on the weekends.
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Re: Lachstock and Four Turbo Charged Cylinders ['04 NB SE]
Is the ATI damper fitted?
If it is..... can you talk about the difference?
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Re: Lachstock and Four Turbo Charged Cylinders ['04 NB SE]
Nope the ATI is on the bench and needs to go in for repairs. I'm currently in email discussions with the ATI folks, but it looks like the damper gets to take a plane ride again.
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