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Re: New Build for WTAC

Postby NitroDann » Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:48 am

Basically quite a lot of people believe that the strength different between 5 and 6 speed comes down to case stiffness. With the same sized gears made of the same material similar bearing size and no additional supports on the shafts the only real significant advantage that the 6 speed has in terms of strength is the case itself is stiffer.

By having the engine and gearbox reasonably solidly mounted using a gearbox crossmember and race car style engine mounts we are eliminating the torsional force that comes from the engine and diff rotating in opposite directions under acceleration and the nose of the diff lifting under acceleration which also flexes the gear box case via the power plant frame.

And it's lighter.

Apart from lots of clever people thinking this and basic observations of both 5 and 6 speed, a good example is Ron and Keith's NA8 sports sedan, 380rwhp and slicks with multiple records held and no worries so far on a stock used 6 speed gearbox, with a solidly mounted drivetrain.

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Re: New Build for WTAC

Postby plohl » Wed Jun 06, 2018 11:02 am

So, with big power, they find the PPF isn't stiff enough, the flex causes the gearbox case to warp and a gearbox dies. So adding dedicated mounts (and removing the PPF to do so) reduces flex and the box lives a relatively stress free life?

right, that's interesting.
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Re: New Build for WTAC

Postby NitroDann » Wed Jun 06, 2018 12:17 pm

Yeah thats (hopefully) right. It's well documented they last longer with solid engine mounts and enough evidence that solidly mounting the gearbox helps in addition to solid engine mounts helps more.

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Re: New Build for WTAC

Postby NitroDann » Wed Jun 06, 2018 12:35 pm

Some paint.

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Re: New Build for WTAC

Postby SKYHI » Wed Jun 06, 2018 12:59 pm

Keen to hear how testing goes.

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Re: New Build for WTAC

Postby Swile » Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:28 pm

Thats tough! Looking forward to seeing it in person if i make it to WTAC this year :D
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Re: New Build for WTAC

Postby Tim_cyc03 » Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:19 pm

What are the dimensions on your front duct?

I have a radialised (spelling?) intake shroud sitting on my scrap table.

As per picture.

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Re: New Build for WTAC

Postby chrons_rotary » Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:39 pm

Tim_cyc03 wrote:What are the dimensions on your front duct?

I have a radialised (spelling?) intake shroud sitting on my scrap table.

As per picture.


It is currently 130mmx450mm.
I do have 2 spare sheets if I need to replace the dam.

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Re: New Build for WTAC

Postby chrons_rotary » Fri Jun 29, 2018 6:51 pm

Some pics from AUS Time Attack 2018 @ Wakefield.
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Re: New Build for WTAC

Postby lightyear » Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:24 am

17's look big on an NA.
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Re: New Build for WTAC

Postby chrons_rotary » Fri Aug 10, 2018 3:40 pm

lightyear wrote:17's look big on an NA.


They are way over sized, but it's what we need to run to get the tyre width for WTAC.
I would be running 15s otherwise.

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Re: New Build for WTAC

Postby mr bender » Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:35 pm

do you run spacers on the wheels?

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Re: New Build for WTAC

Postby chrons_rotary » Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:19 pm

mr bender wrote:do you run spacers on the wheels?


Yep, but may need bigger spacers as they are a high offset wheel.

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Re: New Build for WTAC

Postby lightyear » Sat Aug 11, 2018 6:04 pm

We should partition to get them to make some 15" tyres in a mans size. 17's or even 18's is the only way to go for WTAC.
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Re: New Build for WTAC

Postby The American » Sat Aug 11, 2018 6:08 pm

Very interested to hear how your 6 speed lasts with the new mounting arrangement!


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