SP power upgrade

[davekmoore]

You get what you pay for ..........

Chip tune will work within its limitations. ECU gives waaaay more scope. For more money.

[billybunter]

true but I ran a chip for several years and for what I paid for it...5 STARS! I mean what can you get for 7 BILLS not even a BUNTER

if I had a dead stock SE and wanted a bit of extra power with not much outlay

1. chip-torque chip

2. begi CAI and the reason for the begi and I imported the first unit in Australia is because it ran drama free compared to the open filter version - forgot the name. back on my garage somewhere. it did develop more power with it but was not pleasant to drive and had some idle issues too

3 good down pipe and I ran the begi but no doubt there are other now. never even touched the exhaust size

just with those 3 mods my car pulled 220 kph on the first trip to the open limit in NT with that big bag pack on the boot and it was very very fast!

[billybunter]

here's a photo-so image just with the chip pushing the car along at 220 kph -and the drag created by that bag pack

[bear2230]

Although I love my SMB exhaust on my SP I have a nitrodann 3” through on the white car and its massively better.
I would be changing the exhaust from the dump back then getting Lachlan at Chiptorque to rechip your ECU.
Allow $1500 for the exhaust
A aftermarket ECU and tune will cost you 4K by the time you have it installed and tuned properly. Don’t let people tell you they can do it for 2k they can’t.

By mindful with the SP,s very ordinary tune bent rods are only 1 decent over rev away. Ask me how I know this

Forget about the T-Piece mod. It makes the car a bit of a pig. It will give you 15kw but if you back off half way round a corner it will jerk and buck and you will look like a idiot.

Happy to chat about SP mods. I’ve done them all.
Pm me if you are in Sydney. I can show you what a well tuned SP is like.


Richard

[KevGoat]

...good down pipe and I ran the begi ...

... and it's still providing good service in mine

[Luke]

Just a question to you guys that have gone down the Chiptorque path for Engine Managment.

Did you have it custom dyno tuned at Chiptorque, or did you just send them the ECU and hope for the best tune possible based on a list of mods?
If someone has had it dyno tuned by them, how much extra did it cost?

[Lokiel]

Just a question to you guys that have gone down the Chiptorque path for Engine Managment.

Did you have it custom dyno tuned at Chiptorque, or did you just send them the ECU and hope for the best tune possible based on a list of mods?
If someone has had it dyno tuned by them, how much extra did it cost?

I'm curious to know this too and asked the question earlier.
If non-one responds Luke, can you contact Chiptorque and post the feedback here so that in future we can point to this thread when someone asks a similar question?

[KevGoat]

Mine was not dyno'd - still not. I just gave them my list of mods. But for the SE they have a large database of tunes from the US MSM's who are big on the Chiptorque (BEGi) chip upgrade and the SE customers here.

It's by no means perfect done this way! But it sure beats stock and as billybunter said for the few $$$ spent is great value for the improvements made.

It depends what you want from it. What satisfies me may not you! For myself, while an ecu and proper tune would give quite a bit more power and improve deliverability even further to what I have now with the chip, I'm happy enough how mine is to drive plus I don't/rarely use all the power anyway.

I might also add that I am also fully aware that I should never drive or take a ride in a properly modified and tuned SE .... ever ......

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[Luke]

Just a question to you guys that have gone down the Chiptorque path for Engine Managment.

Did you have it custom dyno tuned at Chiptorque, or did you just send them the ECU and hope for the best tune possible based on a list of mods?
If someone has had it dyno tuned by them, how much extra did it cost?

I'm curious to know this too and asked the question earlier.
If non-one responds Luke, can you contact Chiptorque and post the feedback here so that in future we can point to this thread when someone asks a similar question?

I was also looking at Powerchip many years ago as well, but their information looked sceptical to me. It didn't inspire confidence when their automated email response saying that my enquiry went into the system was received after the so called one looked into by a sales representative. Plus type Powerchip and review, it reveals the truth.

Back in March 2015 I looked into doing the ECU through ChipTorque based on info found on this forum. I never really chased it at the time as I was worried about future mods and the need to re-tune. I'm sure I looked before 2015 as well.
I have pretty much decided I will not be doing any further bolt on power mods to the car. I've had it for almost 9 years now.
Also considering how much track use mine will get, I don't think it would be a good idea just to get the ECU done without any dyno work especially with my oddball list of mods I have.


I actually called ChipTorque on Monday this week as I am looking at going to Queensland in a few weeks. I have called twice and am still awaiting a return call to discuss further with Lachlan. I have been told he is busy and will get back to me. The guy answering the phone cannot answer my questions.

[Luke]

Update. I have now been contacted by Lachlan.
ECU upgrade is $770.
He recommended Dyno tuning as my car is used on track, probably 2.5 hours worth plus removing and refitting ECU. Total is ~ $1350.
Bigger injectors would be marginally better on my car with my mods so is debatable if really required. He recommended 4450's which from quick search are RX-8 425cc injectors. I have the standard air intake unlike most modded SE's out there with no plan to touch it.
Only problem is going to QLD was just sprung on me last weekend for 2 weeks time(13th to 17th Nov) and he is booked out for 3 weeks. I was offered the option of risking dropping it off for the week and see if gets squeezed in. I wouldn't want to drive the bouncy stiff car all that way and not have it done so don't want to risk it.

There is the possibility of doing the ChipTorque chip through Silverwater Automotive Services as well.
I contacted them and they are $1400 for the same job. The difference is they are 30 minutes away from me so I can do this whenever.
I remembered that years ago on the ChipTorque website that they were the NSW agent listed. Lachlan confirmed this can still be done but SAS perform their own tuning of the car utilsing ChipTorques chip.
Anyone gone down the path of using SAS before?

[wasp47]

Just a question to you guys that have gone down the Chiptorque path for Engine Managment.

Did you have it custom dyno tuned at Chiptorque, or did you just send them the ECU and hope for the best tune possible based on a list of mods?
If someone has had it dyno tuned by them, how much extra did it cost?

I gave them a detailed list of mods and posted the ECU

[wasp47]

Update. I have now been contacted by Lachlan.
ECU upgrade is $770.
He recommended Dyno tuning as my car is used on track, probably 2.5 hours worth plus removing and refitting ECU. Total is ~ $1350.
Bigger injectors would be marginally better on my car with my mods so is debatable if really required. He recommended 4450's which from quick search are RX-8 425cc injectors. I have the standard air intake unlike most modded SE's out there with no plan to touch it.
Only problem is going to QLD was just sprung on me last weekend for 2 weeks time(13th to 17th Nov) and he is booked out for 3 weeks. I was offered the option of risking dropping it off for the week and see if gets squeezed in. I wouldn't want to drive the bouncy stiff car all that way and not have it done so don't want to risk it.

There is the possibility of doing the ChipTorque chip through Silverwater Automotive Services as well.
I contacted them and they are $1400 for the same job. The difference is they are 30 minutes away from me so I can do this whenever.
I remembered that years ago on the ChipTorque website that they were the NSW agent listed. Lachlan confirmed this can still be done but SAS perform their own tuning of the car utilsing ChipTorques chip.
Anyone gone down the path of using SAS before?

Hi I aint no specialist but the STD intake is robbing you of heaps of power, try running with a sock stuffed in your mouth, Nittro Dann has an intake that in my opinion is reasonably priced.
Cheers
Stevn

[billybunter]

mine got the chip roughly about 6 years ago. I posted them the etc and I told them what I had done to it

begi cold air intake
begi down pipe
mbc
ebay intercooler

I was told after getting the ecu back to give it a pull on a dyno and email them the sheet. after we both did that the car got 190 or something like that or maybe a bit better - and not sure what I got
send them the email and they said it looked fine on the chart and that was it. after that I went out looking to try it out against a veyron - but out of luck there too drove it like that for several years

[KevGoat]

I was told after getting the ecu back to give it a pull on a dyno and email them the sheet.

I was asked to do the same, but haven't done it. Dynos worry me, so I've never had one done on any car. Especially so now after the local, well respected, performance shop stuffed an SE motor



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[Luke]

Hi I aint no specialist but the STD intake is robbing you of heaps of power, try running with a sock stuffed in your mouth, Nittro Dann has an intake that in my opinion is reasonably priced.
Cheers
Stevn

I know all about the intake = power equation.
Under the rules I compete under I can't have the intake changed. Unless I want to move to time attack class which I don't really want to do. I know others have got away with it, but trust me, they will look at mine.
Not having the air intake changed is also why mine is more unique from a tuning aspect as pretty much everyone else changes it, usually as one of their 1st mods as it gives so much power for a small outlay.
Plus more power = more chance of breaking gearbox and diff. Stock rods will also be very much at the limit.

I've actually read a lot of the various SE build threads in the past, as I have had my SE longer than a lot of others. Feb 2009 was when I got mine. Back then it was take your SE to Mania to do Stage 1 with some bolts ons or Stage 2 having the piggy back Adaptronic ECU and larger injectors. I only ever did the exhaust through them. Plus all my normal servicing.
No threads go into much detail about the ChipTorque chip. This is the best thread thus far, although we are supposed to be talking about the SP. None seem to mention track use. And none have mentioned SAS as a Sydney based alternative to fit it.


Both SAS and ChipTorque have both said I need the dyno tuning done because of heavy track use. I would believe that as well.
Squirting the car a few times on the street is very different to driving the car flat out for extended periods on track.

I know with the dyno tuning I am getting closer to the price of an aftermarket ECU, but I like the fact that the ChipTorque setup has a lot less to go wrong with it and still costs less.

I'm more surprised that no who has replied with the chip fitted actually had it dyno tuned by Lachlan.
I know Crapweasel had his SE dyno tuned by Lachlan but he was the test dummy after all.
If I had the same mods as his car I would just do the over the counter send the ECU in job.

Any of you guys regularly track the car with the chip? Or are they just fun street cars?

And here's a good one. Does anyone know if you can transfer a chip from another already done ECU into your own ECU?
I can gain access to one. Try before you buy.