Cus' NA6

Chat to do with your MX5/Miata/Eunos Garage Ride(s).

Moderators: timk, Stu, zombie, Andrew, The American, Lokiel, -alex, miata, StanTheMan, greenMachine, ManiacLachy, Daffy

User avatar
NitroDann
Forum sponsor
Posts: 10280
Joined: Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:10 pm
Vehicle: NA6
Location: Newcastle NSW
Contact:

Re: Cus' NA6

Postby NitroDann » Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:43 pm

10:1. 280WHP ON 98

500+on e85 if you have the boost and head flow.

Dann
http://www.NitroDann.com

speed wrote:If I was to do it again, I wouldn't even consider the supercharger.

User avatar
Cus
Racing Driver
Posts: 564
Joined: Tue Aug 26, 2014 8:58 pm
Vehicle: NA6
Location: Maryborough (Vic)

Re: Cus' NA6

Postby Cus » Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:40 pm

Thanks Dann.

I'm pretty sure I won't have the boost or head flow for 500, if I can get into the 300's on e85, that'll see me through until my next mid-life crisis :lol:

User avatar
Cus
Racing Driver
Posts: 564
Joined: Tue Aug 26, 2014 8:58 pm
Vehicle: NA6
Location: Maryborough (Vic)

Re: Cus' NA6

Postby Cus » Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:00 pm

NitroDann wrote:10:1. 280WHP ON 98

Thinking of just the bottom end here, how much of a tradeoff between service life and power is there compared to say 8.5:1 pistons making 280WHP on e85, or is it more related to how the engine is used (say daily driver vs redline on a track all day)

User avatar
Cus
Racing Driver
Posts: 564
Joined: Tue Aug 26, 2014 8:58 pm
Vehicle: NA6
Location: Maryborough (Vic)

Re: Cus' NA6

Postby Cus » Tue Mar 28, 2017 7:34 pm

To answer my own question; I think the answer would be "not much tradeoff" it would depend how much you're ringing it's neck.

While looking around and playing with the idea of a spreadsheet for inputting values as measured from the engine when I get around to that part, I found the following.
http://www.speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=204010#p320689

And also in PDF form, from some kind of school:
https://emp.byui.edu/spratlingt/automotive%20engine%20rebuilding%20guideauto%20250revised%2012.pdf

User avatar
Cus
Racing Driver
Posts: 564
Joined: Tue Aug 26, 2014 8:58 pm
Vehicle: NA6
Location: Maryborough (Vic)

Re: Cus' NA6

Postby Cus » Thu Apr 06, 2017 6:20 pm

"New" head arrived today.

The only engines I've seen in peices are Cleavland 302/351's ... so seeing how tiny the valves are made me giggle, and the itty-bitty piston diameter....

My pulldown has made it to the valve springs, time to work out what tool I need, then buy it!

User avatar
StanTheMan
Forum legend
Posts: 6824
Joined: Thu Apr 24, 2003 11:00 am
Vehicle: NA6
Location: Balgowlah

Re: Cus' NA6

Postby StanTheMan » Thu Apr 06, 2017 7:14 pm

I got this from Amazon.


Youre talking about removing springs right?
Image
Satans Ride called F33nix the resurrected NA6

User avatar
Cus
Racing Driver
Posts: 564
Joined: Tue Aug 26, 2014 8:58 pm
Vehicle: NA6
Location: Maryborough (Vic)

Re: Cus' NA6

Postby Cus » Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:31 pm

I am indeed talking about removing the valve springs!

Is that a "Valve Keeper Remover and Installer"?

Is there a specific size I need?

User avatar
bigdog
King of the kennel
Posts: 2233
Joined: Wed May 25, 2005 3:07 pm
Vehicle: NB SP
Location: Blue Mountains
Contact:

Cus' NA6

Postby bigdog » Thu Apr 06, 2017 10:40 pm

I used a drill press with a fabricated fork (6mm rod with a u shaped end brazed on to it) tool to compress the springs with the valve head supported on a wooden wedge. Worked a treat and cost nothing

(Head was removed from the block obviously)
Image
Marvin - '02 Silver SP - BD, PSS9, Guru, Build #62 Cardomain

User avatar
StanTheMan
Forum legend
Posts: 6824
Joined: Thu Apr 24, 2003 11:00 am
Vehicle: NA6
Location: Balgowlah

Re: Cus' NA6

Postby StanTheMan » Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:06 am

I got it from Amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0012S61IO/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

it takes abut 2 seconds to remove the valve keepers.
maybe 15 seconds to secure the spring back in place .

the removing parts is magnetic. you will not lose the valve keepers.
Satans Ride called F33nix the resurrected NA6

User avatar
StanTheMan
Forum legend
Posts: 6824
Joined: Thu Apr 24, 2003 11:00 am
Vehicle: NA6
Location: Balgowlah

Re: Cus' NA6

Postby StanTheMan » Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:16 am

Cus wrote:I am indeed talking about removing the valve springs!

Is that a "Valve Keeper Remover and Installer"?

Is there a specific size I need?



yes it is.
it comes it 2 sizes in a box. you will be using the smaller one.
the larger one will be useless. Unless you start building LS1's or Cleveland... :mrgreen:
Satans Ride called F33nix the resurrected NA6

User avatar
ManiacLachy
Forum Guru
Posts: 3266
Joined: Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:35 pm
Vehicle: NB SE
Location: Brisbane

Re: Cus' NA6

Postby ManiacLachy » Fri Apr 07, 2017 11:03 am

Also, have a look at GQM's video using a very similar tool.


User avatar
Cus
Racing Driver
Posts: 564
Joined: Tue Aug 26, 2014 8:58 pm
Vehicle: NA6
Location: Maryborough (Vic)

Re: Cus' NA6

Postby Cus » Sun Jul 09, 2017 6:34 pm

Things I've said about the 1.6 engine:
"I'll build my 1.6"
"There's no need for a built 1.8, a built 1.6 will make enough power"
"It'll be more demoralising for people to loose races to a 1.6"

To everyone on the internet that says building a 1.6 is a wate of money - here it is! bigger pistons, bigger valves, new intake manifold ...

Image

... hang on, that's not a 1.6....

It turns out that everyone that's not me was correct, this one time, about this one thing.... :lol:

It's a "bit" weepy, so I'll freshen it up with gaskets/seals/o-rings/water pump/timing belt and I'll throw it in the car, and see what happens.

Things to sort out: how much of the engine loom I need, what to do about a starter (current one is struggling with cold mornings) and altinator, and running extra wires for the sequntial injection, the VVT and "stuff"

User avatar
Okibi
Speed Racer
Posts: 10898
Joined: Thu Aug 21, 2003 11:00 am
Vehicle: NB SE
Location: Perth, Western Australia
Contact:

Re: Cus' NA6

Postby Okibi » Sun Jul 09, 2017 7:02 pm

On my red NB we used that tool to change the valve stem seals with the head on (using compressed air in the cylinder).
If you had access to a car like this, would you take it back right away? Neither would I.

speed
Speed Racer
Posts: 3471
Joined: Sun Jan 19, 2014 9:52 am
Vehicle: NA6
Location: Lugarno, Sydney

Re: Cus' NA6

Postby speed » Sun Jul 09, 2017 7:13 pm

Am guessing the engine came up cheap. Does seem to be the best way to go.
Not only do you get bigger pistons and valves but you also get a better flowing head.
Unfortunately I'm too invested in a 1.6 to consider it.

Sent from my SM-A520F using Tapatalk
NA6 turbo - 140kw atw - not the most powerful but so much fun :D

User avatar
Cus
Racing Driver
Posts: 564
Joined: Tue Aug 26, 2014 8:58 pm
Vehicle: NA6
Location: Maryborough (Vic)

Re: Cus' NA6

Postby Cus » Sat Aug 19, 2017 4:46 pm

Dear Diary.

Today I was [--] this close to no longer having an MX5.

How? Too much time driving the (big) work car and forgetting that nobody ever sees an MX5. What I thought was going to be someone rolling through a giveway turned out to be someone rolling into, and then accelerating through a give way.

Much pucker. Many swearings.

Thank you past-cus for fixing accelleration enrichment so it no longer stumbles when you throttle-mash at 50km/h.

Aside form that, nothing has happened, drove it halfway across the state last weekend, motor is still untouched in the shed, but I have a girlfriend now, and her mum's shed has a pit and an engine hoist, she's a keeper! (the girlfriend, or the mum, I'm not fussed) :lol:


Return to “MX5 Garage Chat”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 21 guests