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Re: Patchy's Fawlty Towers risk management. Enter at own risk

Postby Cus » Wed Feb 08, 2017 6:33 pm

StanTheMan wrote:currently its still getting very lean when off he throttle decelerating. seeing numbers like 20:1 occasionally for very short periods. It seems to strat bubbling or over run from 17: or over

If you're taking throttle out and causing the engine to decelerate, it will go lean, but that's OK, as long as you're not going lean when you're accelerating! Fully taking your foot off the loud pedal should peg you at 20:1 or whatever "full lean" is on your WB02 until the engine gets to just above idle, then it will start putting fuel in to make it idle - but the MS will be cutting fuel on deceleration, this is normal so don't try and tune it out, you'll go insane ;)

StanTheMan wrote:While cruising & accelerating in traffic I'm getting high 11's not low 10 anymore. this is all below 5000 rpm.

for best emissions you'll want to be hitting 14.7 in steady-state cursing, leaner than that for economy, these will be in the 30 - 80kPa rows of the tables. You want the WOT/100kPa rows to be up around 11 to 13, no richer than 11 though, you start getting into too much fuel and it'll upset the power output. I think I'm targeting 12:1 for WOT, and 15.5 for the highway cruise, and 14.7 everywhere else.

StanTheMan wrote:I'm curious about how far I can take the timing. Ive not noticed any pinging. But I'm going deaf. hearing loss is not a good thing when tuning.

My understanding is on a stock B6 engine you'll generally stop making power before you run into knock, but the only real way to test that is with a dyno. You can also have mild knock that's almost inaudible while you're in the car, that'll still do bad things, if you can hear it knocking while you're driving the car, you're definitely about to break something haha

StanTheMan wrote:all in all. the new ones seem a lot less agressive from what I recall. Could also be my tuning the timing on the cams.

If you log a WOT pull, does the kPa / manifold pressure decrease as the RPMs increase? It could simply be the na6 flapper AFM being too much of a restriction on the intake, causing all the extra lift to go to waste. I just pulled off my you-beaut DIY (read: dodgy as f*ck) cold air intake for this exact reason. I'm now at the point of having to re-do all of my VE tables because the engine is getting better airflow in just about every situation.

This is how I have my MLV laid out.
The top graph is Vehicle Speed/RPM/MAP/TPS,
The second one is AFR, AFR target, AFR error, and Duty Cycle.
The third one is MAT + CLT + Baro. The other item and everything in graph 4 change depending on how I feel, or what I'm looking at.
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This also shows the drop in kPa as RPM increases - barometer is at 96.9kPa, but the intake pressure is only 92.5 @ 6k, So I was literally leaving 3-4% of my air on the table.

StanTheMan wrote:I do still have a temperature sensor which I can install right on the CAI.... I just have to calibrate the sensor itself. I have no idea what car it is from.

If the IAT sensor is a GM one, there are calibration figures on the DIY Autotune website. You also want it closer to the throttle body, otherwise you'll be lying to the MS about the actual temp of the air once it's been through all of the intake tubing and warmed up a bit.

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Postby StanTheMan » Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:50 pm

Right yes.
That's awesome help that graph. Been looking at my log of the auto tune I did yesterday . I'm seeing stars.
Did an auto tune yesterday then drove it today to assess it. Then logged it to check it tonight and make changes to anything which looks dodgy

So next auto tune will be on the very hard settingon the change resistance.thats between 1500-5000 rpm
Then I'll check it once more with another log.

Also started getting my head around acceleration inrichment on that video you posted
Don't have a TPS as yet so will muck around with the alternative for now. But yes I have just a tiny dip in the acceleration from idle just like the guy describes
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Postby StanTheMan » Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:55 pm

Haven't really done any conscious WOT pulls.

Plenty ones where I wasn't paying attention maybe?
*i swear officer I wasn't watching while tearing down the road, I swear!!!!
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Postby rascal » Thu Feb 09, 2017 10:27 am

StanTheMan wrote:...But she was a bitch to drive in traffic.

This is nothing to do with the ECU itself, and everything to do with the tune that was/is installed.
My adaptronic was similar at first install by the original installer/tuner. It would pig root, and splutter not idle, bad just off throttle, etc, etc.

After taking it to a proper tuner (ie someone who knows what he is doing, unlike the original tuner, who I wouldnt p** on if he was on fire) , the cars runs awesome. Starts & idles fine, crisp off throttle, AFRs are where they should be at all loads/revs.

I think for 99% of people, pretty much any decent ECU is fine, its all down to the tune within it..

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Postby StanTheMan » Thu Feb 09, 2017 1:35 pm

yes indeed,

I guess i wasn't clear. I didn't think about the whole process just purchased the bits & bolted them on. I found it very difficult to tune because I hadn't got my head around it at the time.(I'm saying this in hindsight) Never managed to get it right. The original tune wasnt much chop either and for a different car as well

Ive done a lot more reading this time around. I'm finding the process much more user friendly this time. I'm sure the current adaptronic is also a very good ECU. i cant comment on its user friendliness. Ive not had any experience with the current adaptronic.
By no means am I saying Ive become an expert. I'm enjoying the journey as it progresses.

I have to admit, yes Ive been a critic of aftermarket ECU's in the past. Because of my ignorance & inexperience with tuning.

what I was really trying to convey in the story was my rushing into it without really thinking about it. I came away very disappointed.
At the time I blamed the aftermarket ECU. I should have just paid someone $600 at the time to get it sorted for me as it was beyond what i could understand.
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Postby StanTheMan » Thu Feb 09, 2017 1:50 pm

just for everyones entertainment

Patchy.....about 10 years ago.

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Postby re99ie » Thu Feb 09, 2017 1:53 pm

I miss the old Patchy


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Postby StanTheMan » Thu Feb 09, 2017 1:55 pm

She's still patchy,

as in Patched together more now days
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Postby speed » Thu Feb 09, 2017 4:26 pm

I think it's fantastic that your getting stuck in and learning how to tune. Cus seems to have learnt a lot as well.
Me, I'm still stoked with the autotune feature that ECU's have today.
Since I'll be going through the engineering process I have to pay someone that knows what they are doing in order to pass the EPA test. This has probably limited my eagerness to learn more.
That said, I'm happy so far.
My next hurdle will be connecting and wiring in the MAC valve.
I'm hoping that brings my car to life compared to wastegate boost.

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Postby StanTheMan » Thu Feb 09, 2017 8:18 pm

I managed to muck up Autotune today. Forgot to include the AFR target. :roll:
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Postby StanTheMan » Sat Feb 11, 2017 6:56 pm

Today I got sick of waiting.

A serious ghetto AFM replacement tubing. Found it in the vacant lot down the road. Been looking for some 70mm aluminium tubing which I may be able to polish. But without luck

This is some toilet plumbing PVC!!!!!
. No I went and got a metre of PVC at Bunnings :lol: :lol: :lol:

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It's seriously dodgy but air tight.
Attached another dodgy air temp sensor I found in my leftovers.

Started her up. She ran like a charm. A fraction more noisy. But earthshatteringly lacking power.As before.
She should be going a lot harder.
At a loss. She's not labouring. She's just a bit lazy.


So then the accelerator broke off. :lol:

So hopefully thats where the missing power has been? I wonder.
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Postby speed » Sat Feb 11, 2017 7:11 pm

StanTheMan wrote:
She should be going a lot harder.
At a loss. She's not labouring. She's just a bit lazy.


So then the accelerator broke off.

So hopefully thats where the missing power has been? I wonder.


Sounds like an "ahha" moment.

You think your throttle might not have been fully opening? That would do it!

I hope it's as simple as that. If it is, you'll have to recalibrate your TPS settings.

Come to think of it, I had to replace my accelerator cable bracket. I should also check mine!

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Postby StanTheMan » Sat Feb 11, 2017 7:23 pm

Not using a TPS. Running on MAPdot
Either way it's going to be intresting and I'm hoping this is the solution.
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Postby StanTheMan » Sat Feb 11, 2017 8:35 pm

Well
It appears on my logs now that I'm looking closely. :oops: biggest I can find is 91.2

I did some logging today after removing the AFM. The highest I can find is 84 just before it broke off

But the highes I can find is from about a week ago is 97. Which isn't going to move the earth if the accelerator pedal was the cause.

There must be some other issues

Ohh well.
I gotta find a accelerator unit.
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Postby speed » Sun Feb 12, 2017 8:18 am

StanTheMan wrote:Not using a TPS. Running on MAPdot
Either way it's going to be intresting and I'm hoping this is the solution.

Ok, my bad. You did mention that you don't have a variable tps. Doh!

Could the power loss be due to timing settings and have you checked compression recently to rule out if it is a tired engine?

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