Is this actually an SE?

[NickFit]

You'd be the 5th or 6th Melbourne car here this year...

Did they come to you to fit on a turbo setup for a NB8B?

How do they/you engineer it for Vic though? Is it 100% legal?

Feel free to PM me the usual cost and breakdown of what needs to be done and I'll happily start browsing for a NB8B. Most of them have the rims, coil overs and rollbar that I want anyway.

[NickFit]

If you aren''t confident, just walk away and find another.

I would never buy a car labelled as an 'SE' if it had NB8A tail lights, NB8A dash cluster, NB8A wheels, No SE badge.

100% agree with you

[93_Clubman]

If you come across any good purchases please push them my way. I arrive home on the 12th December and want a MX5 before Christmas. I don't care where I have to fly/drive to get it.

No problem - I usually keep an eye on what comes up for sale. Appreciate what you're trying to achieve prior to Christmas & can understand why, but you might want to buy a cheap & reliable runabout initially, which could even be an MX5, as the time constraint isn't ideal. That said, something might come up & if it does go for it, but perhaps if not be prepared to settle for a short term fill in.

Re NB8BT: if you want legal just satisfy the following & get a VASS certificate:
'An emission-controlled engine may be turbocharged or supercharged only if:
the conversion is unconditionally endorsed in writing by the vehicle manufacturer as being ADR compliant
or
the type conversion has ADR certification
or
the converted vehicle is in all respects identical to the production turbocharged/supercharged vehicle.
Fitment must not interfere with the effective operation of any other emission control system or device, including the evaporative emission system.'
See p4 para 4 Turbo/SC: http://www.epa.vic.gov.au/our-work/publ ... uly/1031-4

'Non-original electronic chips or computers, whether fitted as a direct replacement or in a ‘piggy-back’ configuration, are not permitted to be used in an engine management system unless it can be demonstrated that their installation and use allows the vehicle to meet the appropriate ADR. They must also be sealed or otherwise constructed so as not to be reprogrammable.'
See p5 para 7 EMS: http://www.epa.vic.gov.au/our-work/publ ... uly/1031-4

[NitroDann]

Ie just as illegal as an SE with Bolt ons, until certified.

Dann

[smy0003]

Clubman's reply is very comprehensive, the long and short of it is that no one on here has a legal (in VIC) aftermarket turbo NB8B. Bruce has legally swapped an SR20DET into an NA8 which is probably the best way to go for engineering/insurance.
Dann makes a good point in regards to the legality of bolt-on mods to an SE, but it's easier to get those mods engineered here in VIC due to not needing a programmable ECU (although that helps a lot... different discussion needed for that). Also a lot less obvious to spot bolt on mods on an already turbocharged car as opposed to a car that never had a turbo to begin with.

Oh the joys of Victoria.

[93_Clubman]

Ie just as illegal as an SE with Bolt ons, until certified.

Indeed, comes down to what OP is prepared to compromise on & which approach he's comfortable with.

[NitroDann]

Clubman's reply is very comprehensive, the long and short of it is that no one on here has a legal (in VIC) aftermarket turbo NB8B. Bruce has legally swapped an SR20DET into an NA8 which is probably the best way to go for engineering/insurance.
Dann makes a good point in regards to the legality of bolt-on mods to an SE, but it's easier to get those mods engineered here in VIC due to not needing a programmable ECU (although that helps a lot... different discussion needed for that). Also a lot less obvious to spot bolt on mods on an already turbocharged car as opposed to a car that never had a turbo to begin with.

Oh the joys of Victoria.

'

Ive never seen a single shred of evidence that victoria is different for engineering vehicles than NSW, and Ive challenged many.

Its a national code. Not a victorian code. Every single time I challenge people to show me victoria only legislation which says that engineering a vehicle is different in Vic than NSW they show me an excerpt from an article written by the govt with some loose implications that you shouldnt attempt to even bother.

Never ever have I seen legislation which doesnt match NSW legislation.

Ever.

[smy0003]

Clubman's reply is very comprehensive, the long and short of it is that no one on here has a legal (in VIC) aftermarket turbo NB8B. Bruce has legally swapped an SR20DET into an NA8 which is probably the best way to go for engineering/insurance.
Dann makes a good point in regards to the legality of bolt-on mods to an SE, but it's easier to get those mods engineered here in VIC due to not needing a programmable ECU (although that helps a lot... different discussion needed for that). Also a lot less obvious to spot bolt on mods on an already turbocharged car as opposed to a car that never had a turbo to begin with.

Oh the joys of Victoria.

'

Ive never seen a single shred of evidence that victoria is different for engineering vehicles than NSW, and Ive challenged many.

Its a national code. Not a victorian code. Every single time I challenge people to show me victoria only legislation which says that engineering a vehicle is different in Vic than NSW they show me an excerpt from an article written by the govt with some loose implications that you shouldnt attempt to even bother.

Never ever have I seen legislation which doesnt match NSW legislation.

Ever.

That may be so, but my main point was that it hasn't been done down here. At least not to my knowledge or the common knowledge of the forum. If you wanted to go down that path you'd be blazing your own trail, unfortunately we don't have a NitroDann down here to knock out engineered turbo conversions. Not many people have the time or energy to be the first to do something like that, but of course the OP would be doing the entire state of VIC a service if they were willing.

Just out of curiosity, Dann, would you be willing to do a conversion on say an NB8B and work with a VIC based engineer to make it all kosher? I'm guessing that all the VIC cars you do, including mine, exclude any engineering certificates?

[NitroDann]

You'd be the 5th or 6th Melbourne car here this year...

Did they come to you to fit on a turbo setup for a NB8B?

Yes, or na6, SE etc

How do they/you engineer it for Vic though? Is it 100% legal?

It is 100% legal if its complied, no one in victoria has asked me to comply their car, mostly because they assume its too hard. I cannot convince anyone, the MX5 community is completely convinced of this myth.

Feel free to PM me the usual cost and breakdown of what needs to be done and I'll happily start browsing for a NB8B. Most of them have the rims, coil overs and rollbar that I want anyway.

Feel free to email me : enquiries@nitrodann.com

[NitroDann]

That may be so, but my main point was that it hasn't been done down here.

On an mx5, that guys on the foum are aware of.

At least not to my knowledge or the common knowledge of the forum.

Yeah

If you wanted to go down that path you'd be blazing your own trail, unfortunately we don't have a NitroDann down here to knock out engineered turbo conversions. Not many people have the time or energy to be the first to do something like that, but of course the OP would be doing the entire state of VIC a service if they were willing.

Theyd be doing what everyone here or QLD does, but somehow blowing everyones mind.

Just out of curiosity, Dann, would you be willing to do a conversion on say an NB8B and work with a VIC based engineer to make it all kosher?

Yes, it would be no different whatsoever to my weekly routine here with engineers here.

I'm guessing that all the VIC cars you do, including mine, exclude any engineering certificates?

Yeah Ive never done any, everyone is completely intimidated by VICPOL or whatever and dont even want to consider it.


Dann

[smy0003]

Well sh*t, sounds excellent and the OP should seriously consider this as an option.

[NickFit]

Clubman's reply is very comprehensive, the long and short of it is that no one on here has a legal (in VIC) aftermarket turbo NB8B. Bruce has legally swapped an SR20DET into an NA8 which is probably the best way to go for engineering/insurance.
Dann makes a good point in regards to the legality of bolt-on mods to an SE, but it's easier to get those mods engineered here in VIC due to not needing a programmable ECU (although that helps a lot... different discussion needed for that). Also a lot less obvious to spot bolt on mods on an already turbocharged car as opposed to a car that never had a turbo to begin with.

Oh the joys of Victoria.

And that's what makes me want a SE. How would I even insure a NitroDann NB8BT? I can't say it's a SP because of the engine numbers.

And for me to go through VIC roads is just a pain in the ass.

My worst case scenario is I loose control and crash (fingers crossed that never happens) or someone without insurance Rams me and then my insurance company says they don't cover the car due to the "illegal" turbo.

I guess I could justify the "bolt ons" as they would be an easy "swap" if worst comes to worst.plus they will probably be way easier to engineer.

[NickFit]

If you come across any good purchases please push them my way. I arrive home on the 12th December and want a MX5 before Christmas. I don't care where I have to fly/drive to get it.

No problem - I usually keep an eye on what comes up for sale. Appreciate what you're trying to achieve prior to Christmas & can understand why, but you might want to buy a cheap & reliable runabout initially, which could even be an MX5, as the time constraint isn't ideal. That said, something might come up & if it does go for it, but perhaps if not be prepared to settle for a short term fill in.

Re NB8BT: if you want legal just satisfy the following & get a VASS certificate:
'An emission-controlled engine may be turbocharged or supercharged only if:
the conversion is unconditionally endorsed in writing by the vehicle manufacturer as being ADR compliant
or
the type conversion has ADR certification
or
the converted vehicle is in all respects identical to the production turbocharged/supercharged vehicle.
Fitment must not interfere with the effective operation of any other emission control system or device, including the evaporative emission system.'
See p4 para 4 Turbo/SC: http://www.epa.vic.gov.au/our-work/publ ... uly/1031-4

'Non-original electronic chips or computers, whether fitted as a direct replacement or in a ‘piggy-back’ configuration, are not permitted to be used in an engine management system unless it can be demonstrated that their installation and use allows the vehicle to meet the appropriate ADR. They must also be sealed or otherwise constructed so as not to be reprogrammable.'
See p5 para 7 EMS: http://www.epa.vic.gov.au/our-work/publ ... uly/1031-4

Thanks for this!

There's an SE in Melbourne up for sale now. Hopefully that doesn't sell.

I have a run around car available. I just like to get sh*t done fast and efficiently. But I understand buying a car needs to be done smartly. Hence why I'm trying to get as much info prior to getting home.

[NitroDann]

An unengibeered nb8bT is equally as illegal as as Se with intake exhaust and tune.

Identical in its illegality in every way.

Dann

[NickFit]

An unengibeered nb8bT is equally as illegal as as Se with intake exhaust and tune.

Identical in its illegality in every way.

Dann

Good point. But I think that if I was to get caught by the cops then it would be a way easier swap back to stock compared to a turbo uninstall..

Would it be easy to legally get the modified SE engineered in Vic?

Is every SE owner on here drive around illegally then?