Roadworthy (VIC) queries; reflectors, coilovers & intake

pcmx5 · Postby **pcmx5** » Mon Jul 11, 2016 10:09 pm

The club has the responsibility to ensure that the car is RW and that the user is a genuine member,usually by attending a certain amount of events.In a sense they meet the rquirements in a way that they see fit. If the Vic MX5 Club has said that you need a RWC to meet their requirements get one if you can and go from there,no need to get involved beyond that if you can.

Peter/

93_Clubman · Postby **93_Clubman** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:43 am

https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/registr ... mit-scheme

nomis · Postby **nomis** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 1:48 pm

So it seems from my research that the mx5 club allowing a turbo NA to be on club rego with only a RWC is technically not legal and will not be able to be legally insured.
It seems even a club registration vehicle needs to be engineered to be legal. Which is not what I was originally told.

If only the link to the VicRoads’ Guide to Modifications to Motor Vehicles (VSI8), on VICROADS website actually worked I could read them

Mr Morlock · Postby **Mr Morlock** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 2:01 pm

Vicroads web site is open to all to read- and reading the full details will explain requirements and then may lead to further questions. The Clubs dont set the requirement for RWC- that is in the legislation. Another site to look at is AOMC which is the umbrella group for many car Clubs. A part of research is actually doing it.

hks_kansei · Postby **hks_kansei** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 2:45 pm

Club reg cars are supposed to meet the same rules as any other car on the road.
The cheaper rego is supposed to be a discounted rate to take into account the limited use of the car on the road, and therefore the greatly reduced TAC risk etc.
It's not supposed to be a way of getting rough old cars, or illegally modified ones around the rules.

A while back they did allow a club scrutineer to sign off on a car in place of a full RWC for club rego (not sure if that's allowed still?)
They were still supposed to be checking off the same things as a roadworthy tester however.

The implementation of M plates was, by my understanding, due to a few too many people using club rego as a way of getting cars registered that ordinarily wouldnt pass (ie: turbo MX5s, cars with rollcages, old holdens with giant V8s, etc)
I understand that club rego is now a lot more strict.

The owners of those cars made it harder for everyone by trying to skirt around the rules, and the clubs that let them through with those cars are just as guilty.

93_Clubman · Postby **93_Clubman** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 3:19 pm

nomis wrote:If only the link to the VicRoads’ Guide to Modifications to Motor Vehicles (VSI8), on VICROADS website actually worked I could read them

It opens fine from the following - there's also VSI33: Guidelines to modifications to vehicles operated under Victoria's Club Permit Scheme that you might want to take a look at:
https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/safety- ... nformation

hks_kansei · Postby **hks_kansei** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 3:48 pm

93_Clubman wrote:
nomis wrote:If only the link to the VicRoads’ Guide to Modifications to Motor Vehicles (VSI8), on VICROADS website actually worked I could read them

It opens fine from the following - there's also VSI33: Guidelines to modifications to vehicles operated under Victoria's Club Permit Scheme that you might want to take a look at:
https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/safety- ... nformation

this.

VSI8 and VSI33 are to be read in conjunction with each other (VSI33 just refers to VSI8 for cars after 1968 anyway)

And on top of that, they should also be read with the other relevant rules, like the ADRs of the time, and the EPA rules.

Basically, that's where the VASS engineer comes in, you pay them to look at the whole suite of rules and sign off on a sheet thta basically declares "This car meets all the rules, emissions, and whatever other laws apply to let it be registered legally - signed, a VASS engineer"

bruce · Postby **bruce** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 4:39 pm

In a nutshell, a turbod NA in Vic always required an Engineers Certificate. In the past (and it is now past), some shonky clubs basically would allow anything to be registered on H-plate.
I doubt the MX5 club would've done anything like that as I believe they required an external RWC (and any Engineering).
VicRoads got wise to this rort and I bet are chasing up those dodgy H-plates. It would be easy to track down and send a letter to the owners requiring an inspection at a VicRoads office.
You should never assume things and do you own current research.

hks_kansei · Postby **hks_kansei** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:47 pm

bruce wrote:In a nutshell, a turbod NA in Vic always required an Engineers Certificate. In the past (and it is now past), some shonky clubs basically would allow anything to be registered on H-plate.

I've heard that the biggest offenders were some of the smaller clubs to do with muscle cars and 90s Nissans.

VB Commodores with supercharged LS1s, and S13s with RBs etc.

Mr Morlock · Postby **Mr Morlock** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:51 pm

This is long explanation ( download) on the way MX5 Vic run their CP system and their charges for processing - so anyone wanting to join up with that Club should check it out. M Plates will be issued date tba for CP vehicles which are beyond VSI33 /VSI8. That means a turbo NA 25 years old should have an M plate thats if gets a tick.

93_Clubman · Postby **93_Clubman** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:04 pm

In the past for full rego & CPS some Vic RWC certifiers focused on checking vehicle safety, without necessarily finding more heavily modified vehicles unsafe as long as the modifications as a package appeared safe. This allowed some turbo & SC'd vehicles to get full rego (& others CPS) without a VASS report or an engineer's report from their state of origin.

hks_kansei · Postby **hks_kansei** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:50 pm

True, but that doesn't necessarily make them legal. It just means the tester missed it at the time.

It's less likely to happen these days, Vicroads have become really quite strict when it comes to RWC testers.

There are still the odd ones around that will let some things fly (usually their testing price will be on a sliding scale.... more $$ means they may not look as hard)
But they are nowhere near as common as they used to be.

taminga16 · Postby **taminga16** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 9:45 pm

Has the OP considered consulting a Licenced Roadworthy Tester?
Greg.

93_Clubman · Postby **93_Clubman** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 11:56 am

Indeed, no suggestion it makes them legal, & full rego examples occurred in the last 3 years, in addition to CPS examples of the last few years.

shuey · Postby **shuey** » Mon Jul 18, 2016 6:11 pm

Ah, this thread is still alive albeit deviated somewhat.. so maybe let me update you guys how my RWC went (car's sold, so in short I did eventually get the RWC)
Now, the details..

The car was in good nick, didn't get through with flying colors, but still reasonably well

1. Reflectors; I swapped it back to the Amber OEM ones, so a non-issue :wink:

2. Windshield; tester did say a few scratches, but still passed it :wink:

3. Aftermarket intake; no questions asked :wink:

4. Teins SS; initial fail for being a tad low as suspected, but a little C-spanner action it was fine

5. Brake rotors & pads; tester said the rotors needed skimming and pads had to be changed (haven't changed the pads since owning the car), so a fair call. Although I did feel it was a bit pricey

6. NBSE Aluminium Pedals Pad; A-okay :wink:

7. The rest was fine, they dropped the car off at my place together with the green slip. :mrgreen: