Cooling the car

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Re: Cooling the car

Postby NitroDann » Thu Mar 31, 2016 5:29 pm

hks_kansei wrote:

Radiators also need the air to move at the right speed through them, too slow and the air isn't drawing the heat out enough, too fast and the air doesnt have a chance to absorb the heat to remove it.
Same with the coolant, fit a slow pump and the engine cooks before the coolant can cool it, too fast and it cooks because the coolant isn't having the heat drawn out of it in the radiator.


Unfortunately, this is a myth.

Faster for both is better for cooling. The reason is that heat transfers faster with a greater difference in temperature, and the best way to guarantee this is to flow the fluids through as fast as possible, keeping the mediums as far apart in temperature as possible. 'staying in the radiator longer' is an age old myth that just wont go away, and physics hasnt supported for centuries.

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Re: Cooling the car

Postby bruce » Thu Mar 31, 2016 7:33 pm

The block does not need cooling, but it (and extractors and turbos) emit a lot of heat. Having enough air flow should fix that.
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Re: Cooling the car

Postby NitroDann » Thu Mar 31, 2016 7:34 pm

Please outline why the extractors need to be cool to keep the coolant temperature down?
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Re: Cooling the car

Postby bruce » Thu Mar 31, 2016 8:59 pm

Jeebus.
Airflow over extractors. Move hot air out of engine bay. I am not talking about the cooling system.

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Re: Cooling the car

Postby NitroDann » Thu Mar 31, 2016 9:12 pm

Why do we care how hot the air is?
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Re: Cooling the car

Postby bootz » Thu Mar 31, 2016 9:48 pm

bruce wrote:Physics: it's not rocket science.


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Re: Cooling the car

Postby speed » Thu Mar 31, 2016 10:19 pm

NitroDann wrote:Why do we care how hot the air is?

Might mess with the Flux capacitor and we'd all be stuck in 1985. Sorry, hectic week.
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Re: Cooling the car

Postby beavis » Thu Mar 31, 2016 11:03 pm

Did someone say ducted radiator?


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Re: Cooling the car

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Re: Cooling the car

Postby bootz » Fri Apr 01, 2016 4:06 pm

Which cools better, flat black, white, reflective silver or it doesn't matter?

( Desert Bedouin have black head coverings not white as you would expect)
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Re: Cooling the car

Postby Muzdaman » Fri Apr 01, 2016 7:02 pm

bootz wrote:Which cools better, flat black, white, reflective silver or it doesn't matter?

( Desert Bedouin have black head coverings not white as you would expect)


Ive wondered this myself recently. Would a white intake resist more heat absorbtion than black?
I know you can buy gold reflective tape too.

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Re: Cooling the car

Postby beavis » Fri Apr 01, 2016 10:14 pm

the only problem with gold reflective tape is the price.
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Re: Cooling the car

Postby smy0003 » Sat Apr 02, 2016 1:47 am

Colour is a double edged sword. Black heats up faster (radiative) but also sheds heat faster.
Changing the colour won't change heating properties by conduction or convection, but a well designed intake shouldn't have issues with either of these.

I've been thinking of reflective tape since my hot start suffers a bit from heat soak. Surely there's an effective reflective tape that's not gold?


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Re: Cooling the car

Postby Lokiel » Sat Apr 02, 2016 1:22 pm

smy0003 wrote:Colour is a double edged sword. Black heats up faster (radiative)
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I've been thinking of reflective tape since my hot start suffers a bit from heat soak. Surely there's an effective reflective tape that's not gold?
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