The Roadster NA Journey Begins

[rascal]

rascal I understand what he is saying and your points as well. It is a skill that should be mastered however at the moment I'm getting more compression lock because of bad technique and this is hurting me more time wise.

Magpie,
You can reduce the compression lockups (without H&T) by releasing the clutch more slowly, allowing the wheels to rotate up to match the engines speed without losing traction.

You can still practice the heel and toeing using a slow clutch takeup to stop lockups, and the better you get at heel/toe the faster you can release the clutch with no ill effects.

[rascal]

You will even see a lot of ex karts lock the rears on entry to slide the car into the apex.....

Locking the rears into a corner will 'never' be the fastest way around a corner on a racetrack.
If you are having to do this then you have a poorly setup car with front to rear balance issue.

As trackphotos summed it up, they are quick despite not doing it. If they could do it they would be quicker again..

[MattR]

Heel and toe is a skill worth learning, but as had been said get it wrong and it is as bad as not doing it anyways.

I find the big advantage is when using old school gearboxes that didn't have synchros on first, or datsun boxes that destroyed synchros on second as soon as they were installed, or when coming into a corner where you want to drop a few gears, it makes it easy to go from 5th or 4th straight to 2nd.

As Nigel said Mark, get out and drive the car. Go as fast as you can on the track and on nice quiet drives in the country learn and practice the new skills there.

Out of habit I double clutch on down changes in a manual because I learnt to drive in an old G60 Patrol with 3 speed and no synchros on first, this then became heel and toe down changes in other cars as I started racing in first my Stanza and then in my Sports 1300, which ran an old toyota 4 speed box with the little 3k motor on twin webbers putting out 130hp and revving to 9k I needed to get the revs right to keep it on the boil.

When you get it right it is very satisfying to hear and feel everything fall into place. It is also handy to use when the clutch cylinder fails and you can change down without the clutch and not having to stop all the time.

[Dan]

Nobody has claimed that you can't be fast without heel toe shifting. People who are fast without doing it are fast despite not doing it, not because they aren't doing it. Not everyone can pick it up easily, and if you can't then sure maybe you're better off doing it the simple way rather than risking compression locking it when you get it wrong. If you can do it though, there's nothing to gain by doing it the simple way.

I think you can't heel and toe perfectly then you could be faster by not doing it.

I know how to heel and toe but I'm not great at it so I am faster and more consistent not doing it as it allows me to have more confidence braking later and I can concentrate more on a smoother release when I'm not franticly moving my feet doing heel toe.

It's a bad habit I need to work on though.

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[Trackphotos]

Yeah exactly, there will be a point where your accuracy in heel-toe is low enough that conventional braking would be more efficient for you. Beyond that, safety is a factor like someone said earlier. If you don't have the confidence that you will be faster and at least equally as safe, the tradeoff in efficiency might not outweigh the lack of control you feel by doing it.

Some people never exceed the point where heel-toe is beneficial, and so conventional is the way to go. It's one if those things where 'it's hard until it's easy', so to speak. You have to practice, think about it, learn how to do it. But one day it kinda ticks and becomes a natural movement that you don't have to think about. If that tick never happens, I could definitely see it being something not worth pursuing.

[toppertee]

toppertee I miss talking to you in real life

I'm starting to enjoy myself more each time I get on the track, will I ever be 'fast' who care I'm having fun and learning a new skill:)

Off work this weekend, working 10 on 4 off. Where is your kart?

In my shed....I busted my ribs last time out..... I've got a rib protector you could use. Just need to get onto the ippy kart club to get a pratice licance.. So you can have a go.

BTW they have classes for old fat c#%ts as well.... Over 35s, sh#t load of fun.

http://ipswichkartclub.org.au/?page_id=203 link

[toppertee]

BTW....
I'm sh#t, in the kart as well...... Been told, I'm not driving it correctly..... Zero f#cks are given.

Joys of motor sport..... Theres always a expert around, to tell you what you are doing wrong

[toppertee]

I also did the stats on H&T drivers at the track...

95% didn't get laid at high school....

[speed]

I also did the stats on H&T drivers at the track...

95% didn't get laid at high school....

I like your opinion. Straight to the point with humour thrown in. [WINKING FACE]
Cant wait to hear magpies version of how the kart performs compared to his own little monster.

[toppertee]

I also did the stats on H&T drivers at the track...

95% didn't get laid at high school....

I like your opinion. Straight to the point with humour thrown in. [WINKING FACE]
Cant wait to hear magpies version of how the kart performs compared to his own little monster.

Anyone that states, mx5s have go kart handling.... Have never been in a go kart. Mx5 handling isn't even close.

They pull 2.5-3Gs in the bends and it's all Mech grip. No front brakes only rears.

It's a whole different driving experience, nothing quite like it. I'm pretty crap and spend a lot of the time exiting the track side ways.

But it's fun and much cheaper than cars and a lot less, maintenance. (Tag karts).

But they really hard on the body.

My mate out in my kart

https://youtu.be/6yymX2DMOhk

[The American]

...because I learnt to drive in an old G60 Patrol with 3 speed and no synchros on first...

A G60 Patrol was my fifth car... I do miss that old truck!

[Magpie]

Re-wiring started
Manual windows partially installed. I'm picking up 2 x window guide rollers tomorrow, both the existing ones are stuffed, actually they are not there...
Need to do the fuel filter as well

Will look into the go karts for sure, looks like heaps of fun!

[Magpie]

Slack day, caught up with Jason and Danny at Plus today. This re-wiring project is more work than I thought Removed the centre console, moved the rain light/ logging switch, hard wired in the power for the camera can be switched on/off now. Lots of tidy up work. Next time home complete rewire of the sensors.

Changed the fuel filter, lots of sediment. It is a very simple job.

Tomorrow is to finish off, put the car back together, change the wheels and get it ready for Tuesday.

Manual brake bias will only happen when I'm chasing 1/10 secs, not seconds. Anyway the suspension will be developed first. May change to. 10/5 spring ratio to slow the weight transfer down, I can adjust the wing for some more downforce plus I can move to battery to the middle of the car all these will all help with the rear brake bias.

Discussed with Danny my ideas for the wing mounts, Danny agrees that it sounds simple and does not require any real changes to the current wing mounts.

[Magpie]

Another shed day...

Manual windows installed. The new guide rollers whilst great required a complete setup of the windows and hard top seals. What should have been a quick job took a bit longer

FZ201's now on the shelf, testing the Advans soon. E85 swapped for 98, going to see if the issue develops on 98. Checked the COP's for signs of shorting, this seems to be a common issue with Lotus cars with COP's.

Jason has given a suggestion to try out if the issue starts, if it does then it is not a fuel type issue. If the suggestion by Jason cures the miss then it is a COP issue.

[toppertee]

Anyway the suspension will be developed first. May change to. 10/5 spring ratio to slow the weight transfer down, I can adjust the wing for some more downforce plus I can move to battery to the middle of the car all these will all help with the rear brake bias.

Really?

You have to be kidding.......Come on bro......Drive the bloody thing