Would you ceramic coat extractors on a street-only MX5?

Odd · Postby **Odd** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 6:23 pm

Sorry Nick

Perhaps Dann's reaction is a delayed reaction (turbo lag) about my earlier thread on Ceramic Coating headers viewtopic.php?f=29&t=68166

I did imply...

"ƒü¢k all of your experience and help, Im gonna do it anyway, its my money"

and....I did....;)

ps I didn't ask the same question....my question didn't get answered
but lots of opinions were given....with no backup data

as previously offered....I'm Happy for tests to be done to see if heat in engine bay is reduced and exhaust gas heat increased
for the Good of all....
Real data....not assumptions

madkeen · Postby **madkeen** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 6:47 pm

Wow you really aren't very good at reading people Dann. I'm talking.. you're attacking. I'm calming...you're inflaming. I'm saying relax.. you're putting your fists up. If more people on this forum weren't obviously keen for your turbo-tuning prowess, they'd call your behaviour for what it is; You're a bully mate. People dismiss it as 'Oh that's just whacky attitude-giving Dann' but that doesn't make it acceptable. There's a difference between personality and rudeness.

At the start of today I thought you were a clever bloke with lots of good will and talent to share. Now I don't. I'm done with this conversation. A wise man once said, 'Don't argue with fools, because from a distance people don't know who is who.'

Magpie · Postby **Magpie** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 7:47 pm

Or better to let people think your a fool and type and remove all doubt. This is not directed at NitroDann.

KevGoat · Postby **KevGoat** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 7:53 pm

Magpie wrote:...This is not directed at NitroDann.

... I dare you :evil:

Odd · Postby **Odd** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:18 pm

I see a keen young bloke who's just got back into MX5
and is looking to enjoy modding his roadster
New wheels, headers...ceramic coating???

The old pack animals decend.....
reminds me of The Lion King

Scar and his pack of stupid Hyenas

Has anyone got facts???
I know you all have opinions

Magpie · Postby **Magpie** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:34 pm

I have heaps of data (EGT's, intake/engine bay temps) on Racing Beat headers running E85 and 98. Hopefully at the end of the year a few different headers will be tested, however the cost of dyno hire and getting a few different headers is the fun part. The question is if this is done why should I share if I have to pay for it.

If you are going to ceramic coat make sure you do inside and out.

I disagree Odd, the OP knew asking this question would elicit a response as per the first post. Plus, I'm old but not a pack animal.

davekmoore · Postby **davekmoore** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 10:18 pm

The answer is no.

I know this because NitroDann says so.

It's ok to ignore NitroDann's advice though.

It's not worth questioning NitroDann's advice.

Nearly all advice on here is worthwhile. I reckon it's all well intentioned. NotroDann's is both.

Odd · Postby **Odd** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 10:43 pm

Let's get this clear
If Nitrodann(Scar/God)says NO.....his opinion is based on the assumed question
(his focus in life)
"Will it give me heaps more POWER???"
No argument....if that is the question

However if the real question is
What are the positives/negatives?
Will it reduce engine bay temps?
Will it protect my headers from rust?
Will it look pretty?

Perhaps God has answered the wrong question

Some of us
(me) are into mx5's for Fun....
Not for financial gain
Not for to get an advantage on the next guy on the race track
Not to base our manhood on a dyno-graph of the car we drive
Not to get likes on a forum
Not to lick God's ......

Just remember....taking the piss is an Australia art form ;)

Ps Magpie...any data on ceramic coated headers???
You don't have to share it....just a Yes or No

Magpie · Postby **Magpie** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 6:58 am

No data on ceramic coatings. What I do use is the difference between the temperature of the air coming into the mouth and the engine bay temp.

Heat soak is at its worse when the car is stopped and there is no airflow through the engine bay. Ensuring there is adequate airflow through the engine bay is a better decision in my opinion than ceramic coating the headers. Once the air flow is solved then other heat management issues can be used. Ceramic coating may mask a bigger problem, however if they reduce heat soak when there is no air flow then it could be a good thing.

sailaholic · Postby **sailaholic** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 6:16 am

However if the real question is
What are the positives/negatives? You already know this performance (unknown amount) & reduced heat in engine bay / cost
Will it reduce engine bay temps? yes
Will it protect my headers from rust? Yes, superficially
Will it look pretty - if you get silver it'll look better the off coloured stainless

Let's stop dick measuring and move on now. The forum is like life, don't like talking to people discussing a topic - move on.

Just understand that many come and ask question not caring about a real answer. It's ok the first time, but the 8th 12th and 25th time it get to be a drag. It's not something you'll understand till you've been around a while.

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Lokiel · Postby **Lokiel** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 10:27 am

madkeen, you really need to post this question on http://www.miataturbo.net, they deal more appropriately with people like you.

Postby **beavis** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:55 pm

Lokiel wrote:madkeen, you really need to post this question on http://www.miataturbo.net, they deal more appropriately with people like you.

lol

madkeen · Postby **madkeen** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 1:20 pm

Lokiel, in the absence of an Emoji face icon, I'm afraid I can't tell if you are being helpful and friendly with that link, or taking the piss. Until a few days ago I thought people on this forum were always helpful & friendly, but unfortunately that's now a bit of a grey area.

Dan · Postby **Dan** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 2:08 pm

madkeen wrote:NOTE: I am worried they're going to sit very close to my fibreglass Lack Stewart airbox, creating possible melting issues as well as general heating up of engine bay air temp.

Someone suggested shielding earlier so to get back on topic I thought I'd post something that shows why shielding is sometimes more effective to stop heat radiating onto parts and potentially melting them rather than a coating.

Here's a thread about the need for manifold heat shields on the Evo X http://www.evolutionm.net/forums/evo-x- ... -fire.html

As you can see in the photo this car was running a coating and my Evo X has the same burn holes on the firewall after using a coated manifold without shielding. People who are running a manifold heat shield like I run now don't seem to have the same problem.

I know it's not the same car but I think it illustrates how shielding can sometimes be more effective in preventing parts from being damaged due to proximity to heat even if the part has a coating on it.

The 'track dog racing' heat shield is what I'm considering getting for my NC to shield the headers, it's not urgent as shielding is probably not required as it doesn't seem to get stupid hot but it couldn't hurt.

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Postby **NitroDann** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 2:41 pm

Lokiel wrote:madkeen, you really need to post this question on http://www.miataturbo.net, they deal more appropriately with people like you.

This is my new default answer, thankyou.

madkeen wrote:Lokiel, in the absence of an Emoji face icon, I'm afraid I can't tell if you are being helpful and friendly with that link, or taking the piss. Until a few days ago I thought people on this forum were always helpful & friendly, but unfortunately that's now a bit of a grey area.

You aren't entitled to anything from any of us. You asked for help and we gave it, then you decided to tell us you didnt care for our help anyways. Ive been told to pull my head in plenty of times around here before, but you dont see me saying "wahh, I thought everyone was going to be nice to me"

Dann