Do MX-5 drivers ever check the market when selling?

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Re: Do MX-5 drivers ever check the market when selling?

Postby Rob » Fri Feb 27, 2015 9:13 am

Magpie wrote:Why, setting a high price indicates that there is a possible emotional attachment or indifference to the market. Simply no urgency and if it sells it sells.


It might be like that for some, but how many people really want month after month after month of test pilots, know it alls and (to them) lowballers coming around their pad every weekend? I'm sure some people are in the boat you imagine and put up with it (until they snap; saw a cracker of an advert lately where they guy wrote an angry rant in all-caps because no one had been buying his car), but most wouldn't.

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Well, there's not much demand for MX-5's in the third world, so where else? :P
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Re: Do MX-5 drivers ever check the market when selling?

Postby OMY005 » Fri Feb 27, 2015 9:18 am

Guran wrote:I often see this sort of thing when the seller is not really committed to selling their car. Imagine the story: wifey demands hubby must sell the old car in the garage that never gets used but hubby secretly wants to keep it forever. So hubby lists it with a stupidly high price. Win/win if it sells or not.

NitroDann wrote:I honestly wonder why people are in relationships like that.


They're not in that relationship for much longer!

I intended to keep both MX5 and wife for life. Now both have gone (house & kids as well). :cry:

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Re: Do MX-5 drivers ever check the market when selling?

Postby 93_Clubman » Fri Feb 27, 2015 10:14 am

Many sellers of all kinds of things either don't seem to bother or don't give a rats. Indeed, some buyers similarly don't seem to do the research.

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Re: Do MX-5 drivers ever check the market when selling?

Postby Lokiel » Fri Feb 27, 2015 10:34 am

project.r.racing wrote:I dont think it is just related to MX5 owners.
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you see it everywhere. A few weeks ago I saw a 97 Mazda 323 Astina with 90K on the clock, asking $14K. I wouldn't pay that for a 2010 Mazda 3 with 90K on the clock.

Agree completely.

After needing to find another DD to replace my recently hail-damage write-off DD, I saw this scenario everywhere.

The seller really needs to ask themselves "If I was to buy this car NOW, what would I be prepared to pay for it?" and "What are similar cars going for?" because there's no way in hell someone's going to buy their car if they can get a similar one $500 cheaper.

As for the astronomical price some guys are asking for NAs, I'd rather buy a non-running NA with a decent body and paint and spend the difference bringing her back to life, that way I'd know for sure she's mechanically 100%.
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Re: Do MX-5 drivers ever check the market when selling?

Postby NitroDann » Fri Feb 27, 2015 10:39 am

OMY005 wrote:
Guran wrote:I often see this sort of thing when the seller is not really committed to selling their car. Imagine the story: wifey demands hubby must sell the old car in the garage that never gets used but hubby secretly wants to keep it forever. So hubby lists it with a stupidly high price. Win/win if it sells or not.

NitroDann wrote:I honestly wonder why people are in relationships like that.


They're not in that relationship for much longer!

I intended to keep both MX5 and wife for life. Now both have gone (house & kids as well). :cry:

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Re: Do MX-5 drivers ever check the market when selling?

Postby Rob » Fri Feb 27, 2015 10:41 am

Lokiel wrote:
project.r.racing wrote:The seller really needs to ask themselves "If I was to buy this car NOW, what would I be prepared to pay for it?" and "What are similar cars going for?" because there's no way in hell someone's going to buy their car if they can get a similar one $500 cheaper.


Spot on. They also seem to have this mentality that people won't look at any other adverts, only theirs.

Do they not do a test search to see how they compare to everyone else? The one that's $9,000 over other comparable cars is just nuts.
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Re: Do MX-5 drivers ever check the market when selling?

Postby Magpie » Fri Feb 27, 2015 10:57 am

There is a big difference between a private seller and a person who sells for a living. Each and every person has a different point of reference. A person who has $1,000,000 and wins $50,000 has a different point of reference to a person who has $1 and wins $50,000. The person who wins $1m will more than likley be indifferent (less utility) to the 50k , however 50k to somebody who has nothing will give them more utility.

Do we want this to turn into a discussion on Laissez-faire, Milton Friedman, Thatcherism/Reaganomics, Shock Doctrine, Hayek, John Maynard Keynes and or Daniel Kahneman?

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Re: Do MX-5 drivers ever check the market when selling?

Postby NitroDann » Fri Feb 27, 2015 11:07 am

In this case its almost totally laissez faire
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Re: Do MX-5 drivers ever check the market when selling?

Postby Lokiel » Fri Feb 27, 2015 11:18 am

Magpie wrote:There is a big difference between a private seller and a person who sells for a living. Each and every person has a different point of reference. A person who has $1,000,000 and wins $50,000 has a different point of reference to a person who has $1 and wins $50,000. The person who wins $1m will more than likley be indifferent (less utility) to the 50k , however 50k to somebody who has nothing will give them more utility.

Do we want this to turn into a discussion on Laissez-faire, Milton Friedman, Thatcherism/Reaganomics, Shock Doctrine, Hayek, John Maynard Keynes and or Daniel Kahneman?

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Re: Do MX-5 drivers ever check the market when selling?

Postby NitroDann » Fri Feb 27, 2015 11:42 am

You are so fucken predictable haha. I can only imagine what an IT guy would find if you needed your PC fixed by someone.
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Re: Do MX-5 drivers ever check the market when selling?

Postby Magpie » Fri Feb 27, 2015 1:05 pm

NitroDann I assumed that would be your position, I would expect nothing less :)

Lokiel whilst you are Nitrodann agree on free markets, you believe the market is not perfect and seek to have some control over it. Friedrich Hayek not Salma

How does this relate to the OP's question well it is more relevant than some people would say, supply/demand/markets. How and why do people make the decisions they do, how do they use/allocate their income/resources for their own utility?

NitroDann and Lokiel disagree on how the market should operate however they do not disagree on the concept of a market.

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Re: Do MX-5 drivers ever check the market when selling?

Postby Lokiel » Fri Feb 27, 2015 2:03 pm

Magpie wrote:NitroDann I assumed that would be your position, I would expect nothing less :)

Lokiel whilst you are Nitrodann agree on free markets, you believe the market is not perfect and seek to have some control over it. Friedrich Hayek not Salma

How does this relate to the OP's question well it is more relevant than some people would say, supply/demand/markets. How and why do people make the decisions they do, how do they use/allocate their income/resources for their own utility?

NitroDann and Lokiel disagree on how the market should operate however they do not disagree on the concept of a market.

Huh?

I'd just rather talk about the merits of Salma Hayek.
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Re: Do MX-5 drivers ever check the market when selling?

Postby Charlie Brown » Fri Feb 27, 2015 3:18 pm

I recently sold our 2002 Mazda 6 Luxury Hatch ($45K new) with just over 90,000klm on the clock. Getting old but only averaged 7,500klm a year and there was nothing to fix/fit bar a set of the new front shocks that were sitting in a box in the boot. I’d broken a finger and couldn’t do the work at the time of sale. Sold it to the first person to see it three days after the first advertisement.

So how did I work out what it was worth rather than what I thought it was worth with the emotional attachment involved in a sale?
I looked at what was the average price for the model. All the 6’s had more kilometres on the clock than ours. Some with 240,000klm.
Did I think they were overpriced? Yes, cars almost always have an asking price that’s too much.
Was I prepared to sell it for what owners with 240,000 on the clock were asking just to move it? Yes.
3 days later the car was sold for double the price I was offered for it as a trade in.
Happy ? Yes.
Fair price? Yes.

So I agree, a lot of people are asking WAY too much for their 5’s. Especially when you see dealers’ selling the same model for less than the private seller, and the dealer gives a warranty!

The best example of overpricing generally comes from stock 2005 SE and NC limited edition owners, and I’m not picking on anyone here when I say this.

Some SE owners want more for their car than the equivalent kilometre NC. As much as they beat their chest and say the SE is better than a NC, it isn’t. They don’t, or don’t want to, acknowledge that their SE was the run out model. Sure it had a low boost turbo but it was in a 16 year old chassis. The price brand new was $39,990 drive away.

The stock NC in September 2005 came out at $43K, another $1,650 for the “leather”/Bose package and the Ltd. Ed. set you back $46K plus o.r.c. Today I’d expect to pay no more than $15K for a pristine “leather”/Bose package NC but looking in Carsales some Limited Edition owners are asking over $30K!!! :roll: A 15K premium for paying an extra $1,200 when new? I think not.

Best advice I can give is to forget those high priced vehicles. Look at the ones that are around the average price for the model. Look at a lot, don’t buy the first one you see. Negotiate, especially if it’s been for sale for some time. Buy the best for the least amount but remember that a well maintained 100,000klm car is better than a poorly maintained 60,000klm car.
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Re: Do MX-5 drivers ever check the market when selling?

Postby hks_kansei » Fri Feb 27, 2015 3:40 pm

I paid about $15k for my NB8A all those years ago.

I know that only an absolute moron would pay that for it now.
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Re: Do MX-5 drivers ever check the market when selling?

Postby speed » Fri Feb 27, 2015 8:10 pm

There is a mentality that newer is better. Perhaps those same people think that a higher asking price translates to a better car and the seller is praying on those people.



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