Budget NA6 supercharge build

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Re: Budget NA6 supercharge build

Postby wade » Tue Dec 30, 2014 1:34 pm

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wade wrote:Thanks Speed.

I'm not sure that it could ever run on the road like it is..... The noise is crazy, but when it is done I may trailer it to the track to see if it blows up or not

What are you running?


My install is not yet complete but same SC as you. MS2, 320cc injectors, stock SE intercooler with custom pipes. Hurricane extractors, high flow cat, 2.25 exhaust.

Air filter box is the tricky bit due to my lack of space.

Previous owner had it tuned to 109kw atw.

If I wasn't working this week I would have it up and running!!!!

My engine has done in excess of 250 kms and based on the videos my SC is heaps louder than yours. Hoping that bonnet insulation helps otherwise I'm stuffed :)


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Sounds like a good Setup

I read somewhere that intercooler piping length can sometime affect the noise

Good luck mate!!

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Re: Budget NA6 supercharge build

Postby wade » Tue Dec 30, 2014 1:35 pm

trader wrote:I'm running those supra injectors 93-clubman referred to. Works (albiet a little rich with the stock ecu) with the rotrex which is pulling similar psi. Running afpr with standard timing.


Awesome.... Good to know that the stock ECU can deal with it !!

Have you dyno's it and do you know what it is putting out?

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Re: Budget NA6 supercharge build

Postby 93_Clubman » Tue Dec 30, 2014 2:47 pm

If not already seen, the Supercharger M45 installation manuals for the MX5 are listed at the following under 'Miata Engine' - just scroll down slightly. Also listed under 'Miata Engine' are the Boost Upgrade Supercharger (M45) installation manuals for the MX5 - might give you some installation refinement ideas:
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Re: Budget NA6 supercharge build

Postby wade » Tue Dec 30, 2014 3:46 pm

Cheers I saw that

I,m a little unsure as to how to install the two throttle bodies though......still researching, though it seems as though you take off the throttle position sensor off the original throttle body and put it onto the one before the supercharger. I,m just not sure how this then opens and closes the supercharger throttle body......

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Re: Budget NA6 supercharge build

Postby Black_Penguin » Tue Dec 30, 2014 4:27 pm

You need to run another throttle cable to the supercharger throttle, the tps does nothing to open or close the throttle. It only tells the ecu if the throttle is open or not.
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Re: Budget NA6 supercharge build

Postby speed » Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:28 pm

Leave the tps where it is. As BP says, you use a 2nd accelerator cable. This is linked from the SC TB to the wheel on the first TB. My SC TB has all the little holes and galleries blocked off.

My IC piping is much shorter then most so we will see how she sounds once welded up :)


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Re: Budget NA6 supercharge build

Postby wade » Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:51 pm

Any chance you can take a photo of your TB setup whenever you get a chance?? No rush

Good luck re the noise mate !!

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Re: Budget NA6 supercharge build

Postby speed » Wed Dec 31, 2014 11:03 am

Here's a link to Grant's beast before he sold the supercharger set-up.

http://rednels.com/author/gslender/page/4/

Just spotted his washer bottle - What a great idea, another that I'm going to steel :)
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Re: Budget NA6 supercharge build

Postby wade » Wed Dec 31, 2014 3:02 pm

Cool I was wondering where to mount the washer bottle. :-)

I need to figure out what to do with the air flow sensor.....with the sensor there is no room for an airfilter

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Re: Budget NA6 supercharge build

Postby wade » Fri Jan 09, 2015 2:36 pm

I'm having trouble trying to get everything to fit in with the stock air flow sensor.

Does anyone know if one of the straight through ones of a NA8 will work ?

Are the plugs the same and will the ecu read it ?

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Re: Budget NA6 supercharge build

Postby 93_Clubman » Sat Jan 10, 2015 11:49 am

wade wrote:Does anyone know if one of the straight through ones of a NA8 will work ? Are the plugs the same and will the ecu read it?

Unfortunately, the AFM & MAF plugs are different (7 pin v 5 pin), & even if NA6 AFM loom is rewired with the correct MAF plug, the NA6 ECU won't read the the NA8 MAF. As you will have seen, the NA6 AFM is a vane (flapper door) type while the NA8 MAF is a hotwire type. Signal is similar, but critically, it's reversed. See my posts in following for more detail:
viewtopic.php?f=29&t=15568
viewtopic.php?f=29&t=21251&start=15
viewtopic.php?f=29&t=21251&p=258755
viewtopic.php?f=29&t=21217&p=257757&hilit=afm+plug#p257757
See Norman H Garrett MX5 book (Mazda Miata Performance Handbook) if further details are required.

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Re: Budget NA6 supercharge build

Postby wade » Sat Jan 10, 2015 4:42 pm

Cheers, I'll do some reading

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Budget NA6 supercharge build

Postby wade » Sun Jan 11, 2015 3:00 pm

Ok I decided that the MAP sensor was all too hard so I decided to adapt the current sensor to allow it to mate to a pod filter.

At first I was going to cut a bit of metal and make a adapter, but when I was at supercheap I saw some for 12 bucks so I though I would try my luck and try to use one of these as a starting point

I picked the smallest one and when I got it home it bolted straight up !!!!
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It was the one for a VL commodore

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So now I just need a 90 degree reducer elbow and the cold air is sorted.
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I also noticed that my OEM throttle body already has a place to mount a second cable...... Fk knows why, but it saves me buying the add on piece so that is sweet

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I also mapped out and measured the intake crossover pipe requirements, shouldn't be too hard, a 45 degree pipe at the front to clear the thermostat. Biggest issue will be mounting the oil breather and that other pipe (that does Fk knows what) onto it.

I'll order a rising rate fuel pressure regulator next week and hopefully by the end of the month she'll be drivable !!!!
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Re: Budget NA6 supercharge build

Postby NitroDann » Sun Jan 11, 2015 4:27 pm

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speed wrote:If I was to do it again, I wouldn't even consider the supercharger.

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Re: Budget NA6 supercharge build

Postby wade » Sun Jan 11, 2015 5:45 pm

Ahhh ..... That makes sense, cheers


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