Operation TLC

[meanmx]

That looks great

[speed]

Such attention to detail. Bloody awesome!


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[ndragun]

How did you find REV9 to deal with? The whole ITB kit et al delivery time etc ...

REV9 have been great - no complaints at all. The wait time is quite long, but in communicating with Maxime, I was pretty much warned straight away. The main reason for the wait time is the ECU, that is put together with a base map specifically for your setup. I've since been in touch with MSLabs who made the ECU with some other random questions, and the guy there Dimitris is equally great to deal with.

When you consider the fact that my order from REV9 was shipped from the US, Japan, the UK and Greece (I think - MSLabs has a Greek domain name, but he could well be in the UK as well - not sure)... to get it all here without a hiccup is pretty good.

Remember though Sunbaker - getting good results and communicating effectively with these suppliers is often a two-way street


The only supplier I've had serious issues with has been Fab9 Tuning - which is a real shame. The guy there Bryan seemed great to deal with initially, but then seriously dropped the ball... I'd probably give them a good 6-12 months to either get their act together as a business, or give up and fold...

[gslender]

Did ya buy a ms2 or ms3?

[Crapweasel]

Holy crap - it's a work of art!

So very very impressed.

[gslender]

Ms3 is a ms2 on steroids - so all docs apply the same anyway. Ms3 is a far superior ECU in every way accept price!


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[ndragun]

Will you be running the Fab9 COP kit with the MS2?

No. It WAS a consideration, but after the horror story dealing with Fab9 and then reading elsewhere about manufacturing issues with his COPs kits, I personally think I dodged a bullet there. The people who were having problems with his COPs kit report very similar stories to mine about dealing with him post-purchase... so it seems to be a bit of a theme. Anyway - that's the last I'll sook about Fab9 publicly...
If I was to consider a COPs kit, it'd more likely be Trackspeeds kit.

Honestly - the only reason I initially considered it was merely to neaten up the wiring on the rocker cover, and eliminate the coils on the back of the head and give a bit more room! I didn't look at it from a performance point of view at all, since I'm not 100% convinced that it makes a huge difference on a non-turbo setup. That is naively speaking I should point out - I haven't researched it much.

I'm using an MS2 - and frankly I think I'm already regretting it and I haven't even plugged it in yet. I am having a few difficulties finding an idle control system that is apparently going to work with it. This, FYI;

http://www.jenvey.co.uk/home/accessories/idle-air/jenvey-dynamics/idle-control-valve-wid060

...does not work with an MS2. Only 2-wire PWM type idle control motors are supported. I'm not sure if the 4 wire works with an MS3, I just have to work with what I've got for the time being.

It is possible to re-use the idle control system on the stock throttle body, but that then raises issues with physically mounting and plumbing the thing. I have opted to try using an idle control motor from a mustang believe it or not... it appears to be more physically flexible to mount onto the underside of the throttle bodies. But we will see when it arrives from the states!

[ndragun]

Thanks for the kind words from everyone above by the way - I do appreciate it.

[gslender]

Don't know why you'd think 4 wire isn't supported. Both MS2 and MS3 support these. Did you read this somewhere, as the official ms2 and ms3 docs provide plenty of info on how to wire and configure a 4 wire iac !!???

[ndragun]

Don't know why you'd think 4 wire isn't supported. Both MS2 and MS3 support these. Did you read this somewhere, as the official ms2 and ms3 docs provide plenty of info on how to wire and configure a 4 wire iac !!???

Yea see... That's what I'd thought, so honestly - I'm confused. I looked through the MS2 manual and found info about 4-wire motors and thought "yep great... it'll work", then contacted MSLabs to double check wiring it in and he straight up stated that it wasn't supported and that I should use a PWM type instead. So I took that as the gospel.

What's probably happened is rather than giving me guidance on wiring it in properly, he's just said "nup, doesn't work" and pointed me in the direction of an option that easily uses the stock harness.

This is what you get for being a wiring/electrical virgin like me. Someone could tell me I need a Brock energy polariser to make it all work and I'd just go off to ebay and buy one...

[gslender]

The issue might more be that on an ms2 you'll run out of outputs to control everything!


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[ndragun]

Last communicated with Maxime on the 26th - so last Wednesday.

[ndragun]

An immobilised immobiliser;



All this crap was (barely) zip tied to the steering column... SO satisfying to see it in a pile disconnected from the car.
Also managed to relocate some of the A/C relays that were originally mounted just fore of the (now deleted) EVAP canister originally. They will now go under the dash alongside the interior fuse box - purely to clean up the engine bay. The wideband is also wired up and ready to go - the gauge will be mounted on the binnacle, using one of these when it arrives;



Wiring for lighting and headlight motors is going to be tucked under the front quarters and all the engine wiring will be routed under the brake booster to hide it as much as possible.

Baby steps...

[ndragun]

Sooooo... bit of a digression this evening. For those out there that think HVAC is unwanted mass on their "track cars", look away now...

After 20 years of service, the foam used in all of the HVAC baffle plates has pretty much turned to dust with air exposure and needs to be replaced. Over time the foam deteriorates - and then when you pull the dash out and happen to touch it - it all goes powdery and crumbs off. Even if you haven't touched it or pulled the dash - you might get hit in the face on occasion by an errant piece of dislodged foam through the vent system...

This is what the foam looked like in my HVAC system... when touched it goes to moosh... The foam pictured here was stuck to the blower baffle plate. This is the plate that determines whether or not you get air from the outside world, or re-circ'ed from the cabin. If you have AC, the air from this baffle plate travels straight on to the AC expander and gunks it up. If not then it goes through to the heater and gunks that up, or hits you in the face. There are also 3 baffle plates in the heater housing that have similar foams. They all turn to dust over time.



SO - what you need is some contact adhesive, IPA (isopropyl alcohol), some foam sheet (Clark Rubber - 5mm foam sheeting) and some adhesive weather strip.



Scrape all the old powdery foam off the baffle plates, scrub the shiz out of it, then clean with IPA. After that, cut the foam sheet to size, spray it and the baffle plate with contact adhesive... Have a few swigs of your favourite beer while you wait for the contact glue to touch dry, then stick that mother flipper down. Cut the excess.



Repeat for every bit of foam throughout the HVAC system.
Its also useful to grease up the linkages on the sides of the heater housing and blower fan housing before putting it all back together.

Over the many many years, my car has been parked under many a dirty tree and has travelled many a dusty kilometre. The HVAC system gets DIRTY. Clean it while you're in there wiring a brand new ECU.

[mrpham]

Hell yeah!!!

Brisbane folk are killing it with all these ITB builds