I want to remove ABS

[lizard]

No amount of defensive driving courses will ever prepare you for a accident
NO insurance company will ever cover you if you remove ABS or tamper with any safety feature.



Stupid idea

[greenltd]

With due respect, are you sure you understand abs? If your pedal is pulsing, then your wheels are at the point of lock up, and the abs is doing its job stopping you from skidding. I also say that if you have the skill of knowing how hard you can brake before lock up, then the abs would not be kicking in. As others have said, leave it in place, look at other suspension areas such as better tyres and shockers. Both have a big impact on the braking capabilities of a car.

[oztrackdays]

Multi channel modern ABS is brilliant. Go to someone with their $500k Porsche GT3 Racecar and talk them out of ABS they even had it in F1 cars stopped better looked after Tyres more.

[MattR]

Angus, I have had just enough to drink to respond to your post.......

First, when do you do these mountain runs, as you will pass my place and I want to make sure I'm not on the road when you are, could you give me notice when you are heading out. If you are driving on a public road hard enough that the ABS is kicking in, or because your suspension is so bad that it feels like it is kicking in, then you are doing it wrong, end of story..... Do some track days if you want to drive fast, don't drive around my place and where I drive as a feckstick!!! I quite enjoy a slow run up the hill at the speed limit on a nice cool morning, I don't need some idiot coming up behind me at warp factor or coming the other way crossing the lines because they are going too quick for the road.

Second, you will make your car unroadworthy and up for big fines if you do this to a registered car, as well as have your insurance company, if you are insured, will wipe you completely. I do not want to be the bunny who is chasing you for dollars when you run into me on one of your "mountain runs". I suppose I could always send around some motorcycle enthusiast friends to get the dollars to fix my car after you run into it.....

Third, one driving course where you nailed 4 threshold braking stops does not make you a gun driver. I do many threshold braking stops in a controlled environment most days I am working in my part time job, do I brake that way on the road???? No fecking way, threshold braking is an emergency procedure, better to use my vision to not need to use the emergency braking in the first place.

Four, the ABS is one of the best safety features that has been used in the automotive industry since seatbelts, why the feck would you want to disconnect it????? If you use the brakes properly and can modulate the pressure through the brake pedal to provide the correct force for close to threshold braking you won't have the ABS kick in.

Fifth, uneven road surfaces will cause the wheel behavior you described with one wheel not locking and the wheel on the other side having the ABS kick in on the rough surface. disconnecting the ABS will cause the wheel to lock and you won't have the skill to modulate the brake pedal so the wheel doesn't lock and still provide maximum braking. Again you should be using your vision to be aware of this and braking appropriately that you are not using brake pressures close to near threshold braking.

So in summary......
Don't disconnect the ABS, it is illegal, you aren't the gun driver you think you are, and I don't want you driving anywhere near me or my loved ones if you are using threshold braking on the road.......

[Caffeine]

By threshold braking you actually stop quicker than with ABS, ABS is better for people who have a tendency to slam on the brakes...

Errr... no, on a perfectly flat surface, with all 4 wheels having identical grip, you might be able to match and if you're very lucky slightly beat ABS by threshold braking.

What ABS can do that you cant is effectively threshold brake each wheel independently.

You feel the pedal pulse, and not a lock up? well that's the ABS doing its job.

[lizard]

Angus, I have had just enough to drink to respond to your post.......

First, when do you do these mountain runs, as you will pass my place and I want to make sure I'm not on the road when you are, could you give me notice when you are heading out. If you are driving on a public road hard enough that the ABS is kicking in, or because your suspension is so bad that it feels like it is kicking in, then you are doing it wrong, end of story..... Do some track days if you want to drive fast, don't drive around my place and where I drive as a feckstick!!! I quite enjoy a slow run up the hill at the speed limit on a nice cool morning, I don't need some idiot coming up behind me at warp factor or coming the other way crossing the lines because they are going too quick for the road.

Second, you will make your car unroadworthy and up for big fines if you do this to a registered car, as well as have your insurance company, if you are insured, will wipe you completely. I do not want to be the bunny who is chasing you for dollars when you run into me on one of your "mountain runs". I suppose I could always send around some motorcycle enthusiast friends to get the dollars to fix my car after you run into it.....

Third, one driving course where you nailed 4 threshold braking stops does not make you a gun driver. I do many threshold braking stops in a controlled environment most days I am working in my part time job, do I brake that way on the road???? No fecking way, threshold braking is an emergency procedure, better to use my vision to not need to use the emergency braking in the first place.

Four, the ABS is one of the best safety features that has been used in the automotive industry since seatbelts, why the feck would you want to disconnect it????? If you use the brakes properly and can modulate the pressure through the brake pedal to provide the correct force for close to threshold braking you won't have the ABS kick in.

Fifth, uneven road surfaces will cause the wheel behavior you described with one wheel not locking and the wheel on the other side having the ABS kick in on the rough surface. disconnecting the ABS will cause the wheel to lock and you won't have the skill to modulate the brake pedal so the wheel doesn't lock and still provide maximum braking. Again you should be using your vision to be aware of this and braking appropriately that you are not using brake pressures close to near threshold braking.

So in summary......
Don't disconnect the ABS, it is illegal, you aren't the gun driver you think you are, and I don't want you driving anywhere near me or my loved ones if you are using threshold braking on the road.......

Matt he is 18 years old " P " plater so he knows everything and wont take advice so this post is useless

[davekmoore]

Just my 2 cents' worth, but if you're activating ABS on the road, you need ABS on the road as you would otherwise be locking up wheels, which lengthens your stopping distance and your ability to steer. You'd also need to consult your insurers.

By threshold braking you actually stop quicker than with ABS, ABS is better for people who have a tendency to slam on the brakes...

You will need to re-read the section where I said I could feel the pedal pulsing but wheels not locking

Oh dear!

[tbro]

Come on MattR stop fecking around &tell em what ya really think.

Angus,
Tell me something , How the hell do you get the ABS working on the street????
See, I spend most of my life driving , testing, presenting to Transport and doing forensic investigations on vehicles and I'm fecked if I can get any
vehicles I drive to cycle the ABS unless I deliberately force the system to work. Now I only drive Mercs, scanias and MAN buses, but I also drive an
AMG MERC,a Lancer,some Fords and even my daggy Camry and I can honestly say the only time I got the ABS to work was during a demo with my Daughter
to show her WTF the ABS was ( on the race track).If you getting the ABS to cycle on the road then you need to go and do some driver training cause your
attitude and ability certainly need a tune up.WHY??? If you have done D/T then you should be driving in such a way so that you don't need to ever brake that hard.

This isn't meant to BAG out on you but hopefully get you thinking, cause I know that a certain HWP boss is getting rather sick of cleaning up MX5 drivers after
they come undone up on Glorious.

Terry

[sailaholic]

Oh dear terry, that doesn't sound like good news for the rest of the mx5s that go for a nice drive up there.

Can't say I'm surprised though.


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[emily_mx5]

Before removing the most amazing piece of technology and the only real 'safety' driving aid on the mx5, try some other things first.

Try bleeding the brakes, and making sure all the abs sensors are working, replace brake pads if they are worn, check rotors for warps and thickness, check calliper piston seals/check if seized.
Check suspension, is it old worn out oem? Or maybe some insane 14kg/mm rated coilovers. Both of these would be a problem.
Tyres - remaining tread, compound and age.
If you have old shitty Eco tyres, they let the whole braking system down, replace with new decent tyres, wheel alignment and correct tyre pressure.

[angusis2fast4u]

Angus, I have had just enough to drink to respond to your post.......

First, when do you do these mountain runs, as you will pass my place and I want to make sure I'm not on the road when you are, could you give me notice when you are heading out. If you are driving on a public road hard enough that the ABS is kicking in, or because your suspension is so bad that it feels like it is kicking in, then you are doing it wrong, end of story..... Do some track days if you want to drive fast, don't drive around my place and where I drive as a feckstick!!! I quite enjoy a slow run up the hill at the speed limit on a nice cool morning, I don't need some idiot coming up behind me at warp factor or coming the other way crossing the lines because they are going too quick for the road.

Second, you will make your car unroadworthy and up for big fines if you do this to a registered car, as well as have your insurance company, if you are insured, will wipe you completely. I do not want to be the bunny who is chasing you for dollars when you run into me on one of your "mountain runs". I suppose I could always send around some motorcycle enthusiast friends to get the dollars to fix my car after you run into it.....

Third, one driving course where you nailed 4 threshold braking stops does not make you a gun driver. I do many threshold braking stops in a controlled environment most days I am working in my part time job, do I brake that way on the road???? No fecking way, threshold braking is an emergency procedure, better to use my vision to not need to use the emergency braking in the first place.

Four, the ABS is one of the best safety features that has been used in the automotive industry since seatbelts, why the feck would you want to disconnect it????? If you use the brakes properly and can modulate the pressure through the brake pedal to provide the correct force for close to threshold braking you won't have the ABS kick in.

Fifth, uneven road surfaces will cause the wheel behavior you described with one wheel not locking and the wheel on the other side having the ABS kick in on the rough surface. disconnecting the ABS will cause the wheel to lock and you won't have the skill to modulate the brake pedal so the wheel doesn't lock and still provide maximum braking. Again you should be using your vision to be aware of this and braking appropriately that you are not using brake pressures close to near threshold braking.

So in summary......
Don't disconnect the ABS, it is illegal, you aren't the gun driver you think you are, and I don't want you driving anywhere near me or my loved ones if you are using threshold braking on the road.......

First off all I don't hit Mountains very hard at all these days, I have grown out of that stage of my life through a very quick learning curve and now own a car I care about. ABS kicking in is due to the shitty surface of the road and not the fact that that the car is on the breaking point of traction. Just because you believe something doesn't mean it's right.

My NA6 was road worthy and didn't have ABS... Go figure..
And I don't think insurance will void insurance over a blown fuse. Plus as you would have read, sailaholic has given me very good reason to not pull the fuse, which I stated, I appreciated the facts and not just a post from some old guy who thinks he knows better than everyone else in this thread?

Just like ESP, ABS can be worse in CERTAIN situations, so don't give me your feel bad story that's full of bs

Never said or implying I was a "gun driver" I have literally just stated that threshold braking is something I took diligent care in learning as I know it's one of the things that you wish you had spent time learning and perfecting when it's already too late.

Never said I practiced threshold braking in a non-controlled environment? You seem to be jumping to conclusions, but don't worry as an Australian I have learnt to put up with ignorant people so I won't jump down you're throat with abuse

All I can say is..

Mate you are A road user not THE road user, safety is paramount for EVERYONE not JUST you and YOUR loved ones, A) don't be so greedy and think that only yor loved ones are the important ones on the road and B) get off your high horse, no one is a perfect driver, EVERYONE makes mistakes from time to time, and through the way you have wrote you comment you seem to think you a lot better than a lot of other people on the roads. This selfish way of thinking ruins the car community and quite frankly Australia.


Just such a plain disrespectful answer. When the thread was about me not being used to ABS and not feeling comfortable (because I am not used to my pedal pulsating at me) when I have dríven older cars my whole life without all these driver aids which were designed for people who have no interest of learning how to drive a car in extreme circumstances...

[angusis2fast4u]

By threshold braking you actually stop quicker than with ABS, ABS is better for people who have a tendency to slam on the brakes...

Errr... no, on a perfectly flat surface, with all 4 wheels having identical grip, you might be able to match and if you're very lucky slightly beat ABS by threshold braking.

What ABS can do that you cant is effectively threshold brake each wheel independently.

You feel the pedal pulse, and not a lock up? well that's the ABS doing its job.

Please use google for the love of God.

[sailaholic]

Angus's(brake foot)is2fast4 the ABS system!




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[angusis2fast4u]

Angus, I have had just enough to drink to respond to your post.......

First, when do you do these mountain runs, as you will pass my place and I want to make sure I'm not on the road when you are, could you give me notice when you are heading out. If you are driving on a public road hard enough that the ABS is kicking in, or because your suspension is so bad that it feels like it is kicking in, then you are doing it wrong, end of story..... Do some track days if you want to drive fast, don't drive around my place and where I drive as a feckstick!!! I quite enjoy a slow run up the hill at the speed limit on a nice cool morning, I don't need some idiot coming up behind me at warp factor or coming the other way crossing the lines because they are going too quick for the road.

Second, you will make your car unroadworthy and up for big fines if you do this to a registered car, as well as have your insurance company, if you are insured, will wipe you completely. I do not want to be the bunny who is chasing you for dollars when you run into me on one of your "mountain runs". I suppose I could always send around some motorcycle enthusiast friends to get the dollars to fix my car after you run into it.....

Third, one driving course where you nailed 4 threshold braking stops does not make you a gun driver. I do many threshold braking stops in a controlled environment most days I am working in my part time job, do I brake that way on the road???? No fecking way, threshold braking is an emergency procedure, better to use my vision to not need to use the emergency braking in the first place.

Four, the ABS is one of the best safety features that has been used in the automotive industry since seatbelts, why the feck would you want to disconnect it????? If you use the brakes properly and can modulate the pressure through the brake pedal to provide the correct force for close to threshold braking you won't have the ABS kick in.

Fifth, uneven road surfaces will cause the wheel behavior you described with one wheel not locking and the wheel on the other side having the ABS kick in on the rough surface. disconnecting the ABS will cause the wheel to lock and you won't have the skill to modulate the brake pedal so the wheel doesn't lock and still provide maximum braking. Again you should be using your vision to be aware of this and braking appropriately that you are not using brake pressures close to near threshold braking.

So in summary......
Don't disconnect the ABS, it is illegal, you aren't the gun driver you think you are, and I don't want you driving anywhere near me or my loved ones if you are using threshold braking on the road.......

Matt he is 18 years old " P " plater so he knows everything and wont take advice so this post is useless

Actually if you read where Sailaholic gave me useful advice I said I would look over all other systems before I pulled the fuse, I do genuinely believe the ABS system is coming in earlier than it should as it does like to kick in under mildly hard braking, and everything is there, new pads, rotors are good, Re002's and coilovers, which I will look into first

I don't know where you get such an attitude from. I'm willing to listen I just wanted a good reason

Pretty much this thread in short. I complained the other night to someone that I felt ABS kicking in too early and he said pull the fuse, and made it seem like doing that had no repercussions to any other feature of the car. I started this thread to ask a very simple question and sailaholic answered it in like the 3rd post so as far as I'm concerned it's over.

Now I just have to put up with all these "people" who believe driver aids are the best thing since sliced bread

[angusis2fast4u]

This isn't meant to BAG out on you but hopefully get you thinking, cause I know that a certain HWP boss is getting rather sick of cleaning up MX5 drivers after
they come undone up on Glorious.

Terry

Terry to give you some background and further explanation, I have never NEEDED ABS on the street I have recently purchased this car and have tested the braking system to learn the limits of the car, and the brakes, I have never once stated that the abs was kicking in due to brute force of the brakes as that has not happened, I would just like to remove it so I can lock the wheels (in a safe place ofc) to learn limits better (I feel as if the ABS system takes a lot of feel out of the pedal)

HWP boss?

I never do glorious and have never heard of an mx5 up there crashing so I don't know if that meant to be a comment aimed at me?