quite pretty, innit? (ND launch)

Tezzax5 · Postby **Tezzax5** » Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:19 am

Modern design but how will it age ?

Worthy of a hyundai /Lexus badge ?

Some reports are saying no glovebox ?

I like the wheels and gauge cluster.

Not convinced

plohl · Postby **plohl** » Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:22 am

If the tyres released were 195/50R16 as has been stated on various sources, you can run 225/50R15s

You'll need a 40 or 35 aspect ratio to run 17's depending on width...

Guran · Postby **Guran** » Fri Sep 05, 2014 10:35 am

I'll mention one word that terrifies me ... runflats!

There is a button in the dash for resetting tyre pressure sensors and these are usually on cars with runflats tyres. I understand that the NC came with runflats in some markets and Australia managed to avoid them then. Let's hope that trend continues.

Mr Morlock · Postby **Mr Morlock** » Fri Sep 05, 2014 11:03 am

I don't think there is anything close to it for style as a sports car and it looks very integrated and svelte- not that far off a Jag but affordable and of course more compact. I share Gurans view that run flats would be a step back but since we do not know what spec will come to Australia we just have to wait a little longer. Insofar as ageing is concerned it will hold up very well because it incorporates the shapes that have been successful in sports cars for decades.

gslender · Postby **gslender** » Fri Sep 05, 2014 11:31 am

Mmmm.... really not sure.... let's look at the details....

Sept 2014 a world wide release for a car that is targeted for sale in 2016 (WTF?)
Derek Jensen (Director of Design) initially talks on how successful the first cars were, and how this release needed to honor both the past and the future (did they?)
We then cut to another movie showing the history and success of the MX5 and then the new model is rolled onto the stage.
Derek then points out key design features about how "this curve is important because, and that curve help enhance this look etc" (it either works or it doesn't - don't try and sell me on it please).
He finally mentions how great the new interior is (but you don't get much of a view of that)
Then Duran Duran are introduced and largely because they are a 1980s band, have had continued success (like the MX5) and Derek loves them (WTF?)
The band poorly sings (as most old bands do) the song A View To Kill (a notably bad bond film staring one of the not so good Bond actors - Roger Moore)

I'm not all that impressed and given the original car was considered "great" mainly due to the break-away from traditional (at the time and mentioned so by Derek) and now known because of the Jinba ittai balance, this release seems to be only focused on the image... oh boy.... did that global launch capture that???

Not sure... not sure... kinda think no.... not feeling good about it.... View to kill... really? Was the NA6 trying to be the best looking car... did they really care that much (as they seem to be trying now)... not thinking so... was kinda a "let's style it in a basic roadster way" and hope that the market likes it.

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rjastra2 · Postby **rjastra2** » Fri Sep 05, 2014 11:46 am

gslender wrote:Mmmm.... really not sure.... let's look at the details....

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[*] Sept 2014 a world wide release for a car that is targeted for sale in 2016 (WTF?)

I'm not all that impressed and given the original car was considered "great" mainly due to the break-away from traditional (at the time and mentioned so by Derek) and now known because of the Jinba ittai balance, this release seems to be only focused on the image... oh boy.... did that global launch capture that???

It's a 2016 model... It's a US thing. It will be release in mid 2015 as a 2016 model.

Never understood Jinda Ittai... its a term related to mounted archers. When they are doing their thing they seem to get the horse to go in a straight line and let go of the reins. Pertinent to cars exactly how? lol

emily_mx5 · Postby **emily_mx5** » Fri Sep 05, 2014 12:04 pm

Jinba ittai is horse and rider as one, relating to our cars as driver and car as one. Because the you are so connected to the mx5 when you drive it.
Very Japanese haha

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KevGoat · Postby **KevGoat** » Fri Sep 05, 2014 12:17 pm

Not an expert, but in my opinion a good representation of lines used to compliment each other are on the NB. The flowing side lines are beautifully accentuated by the "flick" of the boot line. All these seem to work great from any angle, looks "sexy". It's what I like about the NB and what makes it my favourite aesthetically. The rear spoiler of the SE unfortunately detracts from the effect in my view ( would be first thing I'd remove actually).

Nevyn72 · Postby **Nevyn72** » Fri Sep 05, 2014 12:42 pm

Oh dear, so it begins.....

gslender · Postby **gslender** » Fri Sep 05, 2014 1:59 pm

Not sure if this has come up, but apparently the ND will have EPS (Electric Powered Steering) and the one major downfall with this over Hydraulic, is that you need a computer to help simulate/emulate/manage wheel feedback, friction and dampen the power steering inertia (things that aren't needed or as much of a problem with Hydraulic and/or manual non-powered). To do that you need an array of chassis sensors—monitoring velocity, yaw, lateral acceleration, plus all the usual engine / gearbox / pedal sensors and the smarts needed to bring that all together to cancel out the vague/dead feel that EPS can provide when not done correctly.

The 86 has EPS and so does any new model of car, but obviously to get that good feedback you have to spend $$ on the engineering and be aware of the problem and have had runs under your belt in that space.

Where is Mazda getting their experience with EPS from? It would seem the Mazda 3 is where its at... http://www.caradvice.com.au/241650/2014 ... -steering/

I think the first test drives will be a make it or break it for the new platform.

Nevyn72 · Postby **Nevyn72** » Fri Sep 05, 2014 3:02 pm

The ND gets the dual pinion EPS solution from Alfa, much better than most other solutions.

http://www.alfaromeo.com/com/technology ... e-steering

stilletto_rebel · Postby **stilletto_rebel** » Fri Sep 05, 2014 4:02 pm

gslender wrote:Mmmm....

I'm not all that impressed...

Gettaway! I couldn't tell!!

JBT · Postby **JBT** » Fri Sep 05, 2014 4:25 pm

gslender wrote:Where is Mazda getting their experience with EPS from?

Our 2009 Mazda6 has EPAS. It works beautifully and seamlessly for me and I don't recall any negatives from reviewers.
The MX-5 should be even better given the years of experience Mazda have had with such systems.

sabretooth · Postby **sabretooth** » Fri Sep 05, 2014 4:35 pm

Well, i have two cars. After seeing the ND, I have to say, first one I've liked since the NA.

Wonder if there's room for a third car...

speed · Postby **speed** » Fri Sep 05, 2014 4:47 pm

gslender wrote:Not sure if this has come up, but apparently the ND will have EPS (Electric Powered Steering) and the one major downfall with this over Hydraulic, is that you need a computer to help simulate/emulate/manage wheel feedback, friction and dampen the power steering inertia (things that aren't needed or as much of a problem with Hydraulic and/or manual non-powered). To do that you need an array of chassis sensors—monitoring velocity, yaw, lateral acceleration, plus all the usual engine / gearbox / pedal sensors and the smarts needed to bring that all together to cancel out the vague/dead feel that EPS can provide when not done correctly.

The 86 has EPS and so does any new model of car, but obviously to get that good feedback you have to spend $$ on the engineering and be aware of the problem and have had runs under your belt in that space.

Where is Mazda getting their experience with EPS from? It would seem the Mazda 3 is where its at... http://www.caradvice.com.au/241650/2014 ... -steering/

I think the first test drives will be a make it or break it for the new platform.

So you want a new car with old technology...

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