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Re: US Headers & Exhausts NA

Postby Dupain » Sat Aug 16, 2014 8:21 pm

sailaholic wrote:If each cyclinder creates the same volume of gas why would you make one primary smaller?


Because it was longer than the others.

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Re: US Headers & Exhausts NA

Postby project.r.racing » Sat Aug 16, 2014 8:26 pm

Dupain wrote:
plohl wrote:Do you even understand what tuned means?


Gas flow rates to the collector from each outlet. Arrive same time.


Dupain wrote:
sailaholic wrote:If each cyclinder creates the same volume of gas why would you make one primary smaller?


Because it was longer than the others.
Then gas flow rates will be different.
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Re: US Headers & Exhausts NA

Postby Dupain » Sat Aug 16, 2014 8:26 pm

sailaholic wrote:If each cyclinder creates the same volume of gas why would you make one primary smaller?


Extractor manifolds
Most non-turbo performance cars and high-performance four-stroke motorcycles use extractor manifolds, as do most non-turbo racing cars. Extractor manifolds are also available as aftermarket accessories to suit many engines.

Extractor manifolds offer the following advantages over the simple manifolds often fitted to non-performance engines:

Separating the gas flows from the individual cylinders so that undesirable inter-cylinder interference is avoided.

Maintaining an optimum gas velocity by carefully chosen tube diameter.


Allowing the individual cylinders to assist one another by means of the negative pressure waves generated at the collector, where the individual exhausts merge.[3]
This type of exhaust system can be used with or without a muffler, and so can be used on both race and road vehicles.

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Re: US Headers & Exhausts NA

Postby project.r.racing » Sat Aug 16, 2014 8:33 pm

Dupain wrote:
sailaholic wrote:If each cyclinder creates the same volume of gas why would you make one primary smaller?


Extractor manifolds
Most non-turbo performance cars and high-performance four-stroke motorcycles use extractor manifolds, as do most non-turbo racing cars. Extractor manifolds are also available as aftermarket accessories to suit many engines.

Extractor manifolds offer the following advantages over the simple manifolds often fitted to non-performance engines:

Separating the gas flows from the individual cylinders so that undesirable inter-cylinder interference is avoided.

Maintaining an optimum gas velocity by carefully chosen tube diameter.


Allowing the individual cylinders to assist one another by means of the negative pressure waves generated at the collector, where the individual exhausts merge.[3]
This type of exhaust system can be used with or without a muffler, and so can be used on both race and road vehicles.
nice wiki copy and paste.

but changing the diameter of a single pipe alone will screw up theories you just copied and pasted.

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Re: US Headers & Exhausts NA

Postby Dupain » Sat Aug 16, 2014 9:49 pm

project.r.racing wrote:
Dupain wrote:
sailaholic wrote:If each cyclinder creates the same volume of gas why would you make one primary smaller?


Extractor manifolds
Most non-turbo performance cars and high-performance four-stroke motorcycles use extractor manifolds, as do most non-turbo racing cars. Extractor manifolds are also available as aftermarket accessories to suit many engines.

Extractor manifolds offer the following advantages over the simple manifolds often fitted to non-performance engines:

Separating the gas flows from the individual cylinders so that undesirable inter-cylinder interference is avoided.

Maintaining an optimum gas velocity by carefully chosen tube diameter.


Allowing the individual cylinders to assist one another by means of the negative pressure waves generated at the collector, where the individual exhausts merge.[3]
This type of exhaust system can be used with or without a muffler, and so can be used on both race and road vehicles.
nice wiki copy and paste.

but changing the diameter of a single pipe alone will screw up theories you just copied and pasted.


If you can't undestand from wiki, I can't help you.

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Re: US Headers & Exhausts NA

Postby emily_mx5 » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:52 pm

This is so hilarious.
Please continue.

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Re: US Headers & Exhausts NA

Postby sailaholic » Sun Aug 17, 2014 12:15 am

The problem is you can't understand. My question is not because I didn't understand extractors. It was asking you to think about your reason for making one tube smaller.

A given volume of air will have an optimum size primary. You then lengthen of shorten primary's to match each other and desired rev range.

Making one tube smaller means non optimum gas flow in that one. This means more restriction so more gas left in the cylinder when the intake charge starts trying to get in.

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Re: US Headers & Exhausts NA

Postby greenltd » Sun Aug 17, 2014 3:21 am

Dupain is great. On at least two threads showing us his level of intelligence. ...... should learn to shut up.

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Re: US Headers & Exhausts NA

Postby Dupain » Sun Aug 17, 2014 5:08 am

sailaholic wrote:The problem is you can't understand. My question is not because I didn't understand extractors. It was asking you to think about your reason for making one tube smaller.

A given volume of air will have an optimum size primary. You then lengthen of shorten primary's to match each other and desired rev range.

Making one tube smaller means non optimum gas flow in that one. This means more restriction so more gas left in the cylinder when the intake charge starts trying to get in.


I'll try and make it simple. Think an engine as much like a pump. The main variables are length and internal diameter. The gases have to get from the primaries to the collector at the same time.
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Re: US Headers & Exhausts NA

Postby Dupain » Sun Aug 17, 2014 5:10 am

emily_mx5 wrote:This is so hilarious.
Please continue.


Maybe words from a shelia can sort out the queries. I've tried my best to explain.

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Re: US Headers & Exhausts NA

Postby Dupain » Sun Aug 17, 2014 5:20 am

sailaholic wrote:If each cyclinder creates the same volume of gas why would you make one primary smaller?


Length. It's longer.

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Re: US Headers & Exhausts NA

Postby sailaholic » Sun Aug 17, 2014 7:53 am

*facepalm* you can lead a horse to water...

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Re: US Headers & Exhausts NA

Postby project.r.racing » Sun Aug 17, 2014 9:37 am

All I can say from this point on is - get an education.

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Re: US Headers & Exhausts NA

Postby Dupain » Sun Aug 17, 2014 10:06 am

project.r.racing wrote:All I can say from this point on is - get an education.


Can't help you if you can't understand. :wink:

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Re: US Headers & Exhausts NA

Postby hks_kansei » Sun Aug 17, 2014 10:31 am

Dupain, you should also ask if they can do a custom set for you in aluminium.

Because it's a lot lighter than steel you would get the performance gain from the tuned diameters, and a good weight reduction.


Even better would be magnesium, but that's getting expensive.
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