[WA] and1's 2005 MX5 SE

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Re: [WA] and1's 2005 MX5 SE

Postby and1 » Mon Aug 11, 2014 2:50 am

Holy build thread resurrection!

I'm gonna restart the rebuild story from here so it's more cohesive.

Ok so I managed to overheat the engine pretty badly on the freeway because my new alloy radiator sprung a leak.

Long story short i decided to rebuild the engine instead of dropping in an used one. Many nights spent scouring the net for deals and more info on parts and the tear down; mentally preparing myself and making sure my finances were in check as well.

Here's the turbo removed!
ImageIMG_1270 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

And here is the engine out of the car!
ImageIMG_1343 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

ImageIMG_1344 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

I removed my head to see if it was salvageable but unfortunately it went soft from the excess heat. So a new head was on the list of things to get.

New engine internals were purchased to take advantage of the situation:
ACL race bearings, ARP bolts throughout...
ImageDSC_1170 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

Supertech oversized 84.00 mm forged pistons...
ImageDSC_1171 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

With forged Manley rods.
ImageDSC_1173 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

I sent the block to be cleaned and machined at Harris Engines in Ozzy Park.

While that was getting done I decided to delete the power steering. Pump and lines were removed first:
ImageIMG_1536 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

Then the rack had to be pulled. I had to cut the piston seal to allow a full depower:
ImageIMG_1415 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

The pinion was also welded to remove the slop necessary for power steering to work:
ImageIMG_1613 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

The components were all thoroughly cleaned:
ImageIMG_1610 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

ImageIMG_1611 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

ImageIMG_1612 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

And MiataRoadster plugs were used to cap off the orifices:
ImageIMG_1615 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

All the internal parts were then covered in grease and reinstalled:
ImageIMG_1616 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

Nice and clean!
ImageIMG_1617 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

I was predicting that removing the tie rod ends would damage them so I had some R-Package tie rods ordered at the same time as the plugs:
ImageIMG_1622 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

ImageIMG_1623 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

Further work in the engine bay involved removal of the standard intercooler support:
ImageIMG_1625 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

while keeping the bracket to mount the intercooler piping:
ImageIMG_1624 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

My block came back from Harris in amazing shape. So i started working on checking tolerances and placing bits in. First piston rings:
ImageIMG_1454 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

I used my old pistons and rings to make sure that my new rings were seated square in the cylinder:
ImageIMG_1453 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

I then ground away the required gap using feelers to make sure I wasn't removing too much:
ImageIMG_1457 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

After the 1st and 2nd rings were gapped I had to install them on my pistons:
ImageIMG_1485 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

And then have them mated to the new rods:
ImageIMG_1489 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

By matching the pistons, rods and gudgeon pins I was able to get the sets within 1 gram of each other!

The crank had to be measured to make sure that it was within tolerance with the new bearings:
ImageIMG_1482 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

ARP studs and nuts were used to clamp down the crank and plastigage used to measure the tolerance:
ImageIMG_1483 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

ImageIMG_1484 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

At this point everything checked out. So I checked the tolerances with the rods and rod bearings. They were in range too, so I buttoned her up with the supplied ARP 2000 hardware:
ImageIMG_1504 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

Turned the crank to make sure that nothing bound and all was good!
ImageIMG_1497 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

ImageIMG_1499 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

The pistons at TDC
ImageIMG_1501 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

You may have noticed the oversized oil filter. I decided at this point that I would be making up a DIY oil filter relocation kit an external oil cooler. This meant the standard oil cooler had to go, which meant I needed to source a shorter threaded oil pipe. I received one from a NA6 from MX5 Mania.

I stored the block to focus on other parts of the build.
ImageIMG_1508 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

I started cleaning all the parts that were going to be reused.
Main Bearing Support Plate (MBSP)
ImageIMG_1568 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

Sump:
ImageIMG_1571 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

Oil pickup, baffle and rear main seal housing:
ImageIMG_1573 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

I went to mount the MBSP and ran into some clearance issues. It didn't fit with the ARP studs for the crank bearing caps, so I had to grind a little away until all studs cleared:
ImageIMG_1602 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

ImageIMG_1603 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

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Not the prettiest but it does the job.

The sump and pickup were then mounted with the seals and a heap of sealant:
ImageIMG_1657 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

and then the rear main seal was also torque down and sealed:
ImageIMG_1659 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

Water pump and oil pumps were new items. I opened up the pump to fill it with grease to decrease priming time when starting for the first time and shimmed the relief valve. New belt tensioners were used too:
ImageIMG_1674 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

You can see the new engine mounts in the background too (Mazda Motorsports mounts). These were the old ones:
ImageIMG_1618 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

distorted and cracked:
ImageIMG_1619 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

Old vs new:
ImageIMG_1621 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

With the bottom end coming together, I still needed to source the head. I managed to get one (BP4W head) from MX5 Mania.I stripped it down and sent it to Harris Engines to get the work done on it. Nothing serious. Just new valve seats and had it decked to make sure wit was flat. Oh and it passed the hardness test :mrgreen:

Standard valvetrain reused with new valve guides:
ImageIMG_1684 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

ImageIMG_1688 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

ImageIMG_1689 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

And solid lifters back in!
ImageIMG_1693 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

After this the head was placed on top of the fresh bottom end with ARP head studs and nuts to clamp down tight. OEM head gasket from earlier BP engines as a reroute was in order. Cams and cam gears mounted with new timing belt. You can also see the relocation block mounted.
ImageIMG_1702 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

Valve cover and timing covers all placed back on along with accessories:
ImageIMG_1705 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

And remounted the manifold and turbo:
ImageIMG_1708 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

I had difficulty bolting the the oil return line so i hacked off the middle and attached a hose to make life easier:
ImageIMG_1706 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

ImageIMG_1719 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

Magnacore leads were installed:
ImageIMG_1710 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

EGR valve was removed along with the piping. If anyone was wondering the exhaust size if the EGR tube can be capped off with a M22 bolt.
ImageIMG_1721 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

The oil cooler then arrived and was mounted:
ImageIMG_1711 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

ImageIMG_1747 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

ImageIMG_1746 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

I was getting closer to getting the car running at this point. Just had the clutch and flywheel to put on the engine. My choice; 949 Racing twin disk organic face and flywheel combo:
ImageIMG_1727 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

ImageIMG_1728 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

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ImageIMG_1732 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

Super light flwheel!
ImageIMG_1732 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

Setup mounted!
ImageIMG_1740 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

ImageIMG_1743 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

ImageIMG_1744 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

Gearbox bolted back on:
ImageIMG_1749 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

And then had it ready for its triumphant trip back into the engine bay!
ImageIMG_1750 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

ImageIMG_1751 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

Happy days!
ImageIMG_1755 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

I then was able to get my hands on a great deal for a new Adaptronic Select ECU!
ImageIMG_1778 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

After fitting the engine, the oil relocation kit came together.

Earl's thermostat:
ImageIMG_1780 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

Filter relocation block. I drilled the front frame and tapped it so I could mount it here:
ImageIMG_1782 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

ImageIMG_1786 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

Lines slowly coming along
ImageIMG_1788 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

Semi completed engine bay
ImageIMG_1792 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

Next was the fuel system. New Deatschwerks 200 pump and a fuel filter replacement.
ImageIMG_1801 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

New vs old:
ImageIMG_1800 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

Soldered and heatshrinked new wires
ImageIMG_1805 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

And all mounted
ImageIMG_1806 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

There was so much gunk in the old fuel filter!
ImageIMG_1808 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr


I then decided to tackle the coolant reroute. I swapped the front and rear housings around and placed the thermostat (180 deg F) in the rear. Couple of random hoses used and joiners:
ImageIMG_1815 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

And mounted to the new 52 mm alloy radiator
ImageIMG_1818 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

With the new radiator, the stock fans didn't fit so I had to get some slimline ones:
ImageIMG_1840 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

I modified them a little to allow a little more airflow at speed:
ImageIMG_1841 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

And on the radiator, sealed at all sides with some adhesive foam strips
ImageIMG_1843 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

ImageIMG_1844 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

I also installed Innovate Motorsport MTX-D and MTX-L gauges. Oil pressure and temp, water temp and volts and AFR. I had a O2 bung welded into my midpipe upstream of my cat:
ImageIMG_1826 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

Intercooler and hood back on
ImageIMG_1833 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

Pretty much everything was done at this point and I was getting pretty excited to start her. Topped up all the fluids and put the battery back in to prime her. I installed a cheap mechanical oil pressure gauge into a spare port on the oil thermostat just to make sure the oil pump actually prime. Luckily it did!

Attempted to start her... And nothing. Smell of fuel but nothing else. Rechecked timing (was off by a tooth) and spark. Everything was there. Then I checked compression. Big fat 0 across all four cylinders. I was pretty gutted. Jumped on the forums to ask others for suggestions. Someone had asked me about the valve clearances which didn't even cross my mind! So I went off to check that and they were completely out of spec.

A couple of measurements and orders to Precision Shims later and I had the clearances where they were supposed to be.

I started the car this time and... Success. Car ran smoothly and I let her warm up. At this point I went to try and drive. The car wouldn't get into gear!! Something had gone wrong with the install so the box had to come out :oops: . With the box off I noticed that I had not tightened the pressure plate all the way down (rookie error :oops: ). With the box off I noticed the half moon seal was leaking oil from the oil pan. So I tightened the bolts near it some more and applied RTV over the whole seal.

Box back on and I still had issues getting the car into gear. Reverse wouldn't go at all and the forward gears where very rough to slot into. I made pushrod adjustments to no avail. Thanks to a forum member, he pointed me in the right direction. I was making the rod adjustments in the wrong direction. The clutch needs minimal travel to engage and disengage and my previous adjustments had made the slave cylinder push the clutch fork past the point of disengagement. The new adjustments allowed to smoothly slot in gear :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

And that takes me up to now. I'm still running the car in and working out small niggles.
ImageIMG_1933 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

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ImageIMG_1931 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

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I forgot how small my car is. Parked next to a random S2K
ImageIMG_1935 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

So after about 150km I did a compression test just to see how well the rings were seating.
Cyl 1
ImageIMG_1939 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

Cyl 2
ImageIMG_1936 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

Cyl 3
ImageIMG_1937 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

Cyl 4
ImageIMG_1938 by AndyPhan123, on Flickr

So yeah I pretty chuffed right now :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Thanks for reading a super long post haha
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Re: [WA] and1's 2005 MX5 SE

Postby Lokiel » Mon Aug 11, 2014 11:06 am

^
Post NEEDED a "WARNING: LOTS OF ENGINE PORN AHEAD!" pre-cursor - once I started reading, I had to follow through to the end. This was meant to be a quick browse of the thread while waiting for a comppilation/build to complete but ended up taking longer than expected.

Kudos to undertaking the build yourself and to the forum members who helped resolve your issues - that's what's so great about this site.
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Re: [WA] and1's 2005 MX5 SE

Postby yem11n » Mon Aug 11, 2014 11:27 am

Great job man.. :NETPOINTZ:

Cannot go through the whole update at work. Will have to get home and properly read and look at engine porn photos..
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Re: [WA] and1's 2005 MX5 SE

Postby ManiacLachy » Mon Aug 11, 2014 11:29 am

Very impressive work, well done! I didn't understand half of it :oops: but it looks amazing

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Re: [WA] and1's 2005 MX5 SE

Postby Nevyn72 » Mon Aug 11, 2014 4:06 pm

Fantastic update there mate, really good to see such a detailed write-up! :mrgreen: :BROADY:

A quick question regarding the coolant re-route.....
What cylinder head and head gasket did you end up using?
Not sure if you're aware that the standard SE head and SE head gasket don't play well with the re-route. :|
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Re: [WA] and1's 2005 MX5 SE

Postby shuey » Mon Aug 11, 2014 5:24 pm

.. take your spam out of this forum, Wanneroo Mazda. It's not welcome here :evil:

But on and1's thread, dang.. that's a long thread, but worth going through the lovely build process. I want an SE now :wink:
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Re: [WA] and1's 2005 MX5 SE

Postby Roadrunner » Mon Aug 11, 2014 9:39 pm

Wow what an update!
Wish I had the knowledge and know how to rebuild an engine, great stuff, very informative to read.

Just out of curiosity you said your aluminium radiator sprung a leak. What brand was that and what brand radiator are you using now or is it the same one fixed up?
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Re: [WA] and1's 2005 MX5 SE

Postby Aussie Stig » Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:47 pm

OIl return line, not sure about that rubber hose.
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Re: [WA] and1's 2005 MX5 SE

Postby and1 » Thu Aug 14, 2014 3:46 am

Roadrunner wrote:Wow what an update!
Wish I had the knowledge and know how to rebuild an engine, great stuff, very informative to read.

Just out of curiosity you said your aluminium radiator sprung a leak. What brand was that and what brand radiator are you using now or is it the same one fixed up?


The one that sprung a leak was an ASI branded one (eBay). I managed to get it replaced under warranty. The one that failed was a 42mm core but the one they sent me was a 52 :oops: hence the slimline fans. With this new radiator I managed to pressure test it in my bathtub and it held up great.

Aussie Stig wrote:OIl return line, not sure about that rubber hose.


I used transmission oil line which is much thicker and has reinforcement inside. We shall see how long it holds up for.
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Re: [WA] and1's 2005 MX5 SE

Postby kenson » Thu Aug 14, 2014 4:30 pm

Good to see your car's back on the road Andy!
Quite a few Adaptronic guys in Perth now so just let us know if you need any help.

What fans did you end up using?
Check out this thread: http://www.mazda-speed.com/forum2/index.php/topic,21682.0.html

Only posting because I'm a little concerned :) Keith from Flyin Miata states that a lot of aftermarket fans are "inferior".
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Re: [WA] and1's 2005 MX5 SE

Postby and1 » Thu Aug 14, 2014 9:15 pm

kenson wrote:Good to see your car's back on the road Andy!
Quite a few Adaptronic guys in Perth now so just let us know if you need any help.

What fans did you end up using?
Check out this thread: http://www.mazda-speed.com/forum2/index.php/topic,21682.0.html

Only posting because I'm a little concerned :) Keith from Flyin Miata states that a lot of aftermarket fans are "inferior".
Don't want your car overheating on the track!

(Yes, FM's offerings = $$$)


Thanks Kenny will definitely hit you up for a map when I get around to installing it.

I ended up using some ebay fans and shroud and modified it a little. I used that thread you linked me to connect the fans. Turning AC on turns one fan on. When my car hits 104 deg C, both fans turn on and within 10 secs temps are under 101 degs. That's at stationary. This was when I didn't burp by cooling system properly.

When burped it, I was not able to get it above 95 on normal cruising. It actually sat around mid to high 80s. So hopefully my shroud and ducting is making a difference.

Take this values with a large pinch of salt as I haven't been able to jump on boost much if at all yet.

Btw car is off the road again temporarily to sort out the leak from the oil filter relocation and to fab up new lines.
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Re: [WA] and1's 2005 MX5 SE

Postby davekmoore » Thu Aug 14, 2014 9:50 pm

My first turbo oil return pipe cracked shortly after install because the turbo was put back at a microscopically different angle. Another reason for it cracking was, of course, the incredibly stupid design and materials used for the flippin' thing. Make it longer, even spiral if you have to, and from flexible materials please Mazda you doofuses.

Your design is, of course, way better than the very short inflexible pipe. Hopefully the materials will also hold up long term. Do please let me know how it goes because I reckon my second pipe will not last forever.
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Re: [WA] and1's 2005 MX5 SE

Postby and1 » Thu Aug 14, 2014 9:54 pm

davekmoore wrote:My first turbo oil return pipe cracked shortly after install because the turbo was put back at a microscopically different angle. Another reason for it cracking was, of course, the incredibly stupid design and materials used for the flippin' thing. Make it longer, even spiral if you have to, and from flexible materials please Mazda you doofuses.

Your design is, of course, way better than the very short inflexible pipe. Hopefully the materials will also hold up long term. Do please let me know how it goes because I reckon my second pipe will not last forever.


I hacked it up purely because I could not get it to line up anymore. the metal at the flex is so thin that could probably cut it with tin snips...
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Re: [WA] and1's 2005 MX5 SE

Postby Okibi » Thu Aug 14, 2014 10:51 pm

Could be worth covering it in some insulation or changing to braided hosing because melty oil lines and hot turbos are a really bad mix.
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Re: [WA] and1's 2005 MX5 SE

Postby spikey » Fri Aug 22, 2014 11:42 am

I have got some fireproof shielding you can have Andy to cover that hose, your greatest enemy is heat from the turbo directly on that hose, but great job on the rebuild :D


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