Bracing installation problem

tescoking · Postby **tescoking** » Thu Dec 05, 2013 8:28 pm

Hey guys, I was watching mighty car mods on youtube. And this episode they are showing how to install bracing under the NA. After I watched the video. I have a question. What happen if the car is lowered? It seems like all the bracing will be scratch the ground. Or is bracing only for use on vehicle that is not lower?

Here is the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W2QyRj8 ... 3A&index=2

fcruz3r · Postby **fcruz3r** » Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:30 am

Suppose bracing are only good on race cars where ride height isnt such an issue. Bracing on road cars are for posers... LoL... no offense

tescoking · Postby **tescoking** » Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:14 am

fcruz3r wrote:Suppose bracing are only good on race cars where ride height isnt such an issue. Bracing on road cars are for posers... LoL... no offense

Sounds reasonable... Stupid question, sorry

sailaholic · Postby **sailaholic** » Fri Dec 06, 2013 8:30 am

fcruz3r wrote:Suppose bracing are only good on race cars where ride height isnt such an issue. Bracing on road cars are for posers... LoL... no offense

I disagree bracing should net the same benifit on a road car or more as chassis damping may be more important to a road user the a track only user.

Then you have road cars that go to the track.....

If Mazda thought bracing was for posers then why did each model get more bracing then the last?

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Jeo · Postby **Jeo** » Fri Dec 06, 2013 9:09 am

You do lose some ground clearance but it's not a lot. I know that there's a fair few decent scrapes and dents on my butterfly brace, mostly due to ripple strips.

There's also a bunch of the slammed kids in the states who specifically get frame rails and butterfly braces to act as protection.

fcruz3r · Postby **fcruz3r** » Fri Dec 06, 2013 1:18 pm

sailaholic wrote:
fcruz3r wrote:Suppose bracing are only good on race cars where ride height isnt such an issue. Bracing on road cars are for posers... LoL... no offense

I disagree bracing should net the same benifit on a road car or more as chassis damping may be more important to a road user the a track only user.

Then you have road cars that go to the track.....

If Mazda thought bracing was for posers then why did each model get more bracing then the last?

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i think the main reason each model got more bracing than the last was because of uprated power and/or slightly different chassis design. ...what i mean is that mazda did not do a recall on any specific models to add more bracing because they thought it was insufficient

also if you're driving within legal limits on public roads, i can't see why chassis flex would matter all that much

dont get me wrong...im not knocking those who do have bracing on their cars ...heck if I could afford it I would make my car rigid like a tank..plus i'd much rather scuff bracing than hit a sump or cat converter on a speed bump

Postby **Okibi** » Fri Dec 06, 2013 2:53 pm

There's plenty of bracing that doesn't effect ride height ... front sway bar braces, rear diff braces, strut braces...

The later NBs are something like 30% stiffer because of the added factory bracing.

TTT · Postby **TTT** » Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:27 pm

fcruz3r wrote:Bracing on road cars are for posers

fcruz3r wrote:dont get me wrong...im not knocking those who do have bracing on their cars

which is it?

tescoking · Postby **tescoking** » Fri Dec 06, 2013 4:10 pm

But obviously the NA in the video have a set of big wheels. Also I don't think that car is lower. So you could image if you have set of 15" on your car, lower spring/adjustable coilover. The car is likely scratch wherever have speed bump or unsmooth surface.

plohl · Postby **plohl** » Fri Dec 06, 2013 4:27 pm

^ generally the overall wheel diameter shouldn't change a large amount with respect to rim size. Else you speedo will read "incorrectly". So you'll find someone running a 16" rim with a 205 tyre with have a lower aspect ratio (205/45R16) to someone running a 15" rim with a 205 tyre (205/50R15). If you work out each tyre's diameter you will have 590.9mm and 586mm respectively (Note: this is an approximation - different brand tyres of the same size can have slightly different diameters. Total wheel diameter is also dependent on rim width). So there is approximately a 5mm difference in diameter... so all things being equal, the car will sit 2.5mm higher... which means...

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***it's not really that irrelevant. Ground clearance has some dependance on overall wheel diameter... I just wanted to use that meme

Postby **Okibi** » Fri Dec 06, 2013 6:18 pm

Point of that bracing (and their current series of videos) is they're trying to improve the cars handling on the track.

fcruz3r · Postby **fcruz3r** » Fri Dec 06, 2013 7:25 pm

TTT wrote:
fcruz3r wrote:Bracing on road cars are for posers

fcruz3r wrote:dont get me wrong...im not knocking those who do have bracing on their cars

which is it?

catch 22...im condescending on ricers, but being asian...im constantly battling my genetical flaw to want to put useless mods on my car.

Postby **NitroDann** » Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:41 pm

Butterfly bracing on street cars is an excellent option for those who want to modify their mx5, but dont want to change the looks, performance handling or comfort from factory.

Dann

tescoking · Postby **tescoking** » Sat Dec 07, 2013 12:41 am

NitroDann wrote:Butterfly bracing on street cars is an excellent option for those who want to modify their mx5, but dont want to change the looks, performance handling or comfort from factory.

Dann

If butterfly bracing does not improve performance handling from factory, then what is that for???