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[NMX516]

SP
Common issues
1) Intercooler pipe replacement ... (link to write up here)

First I've heard of that one The pipes sometimes hit on the front roll bar, but just need to loosen the clamps on the silicone joiners and move the piping around a bit so that it is far enough away from the roll bar.

2) Manifold studs, and turbo to manifold studs. Inconel studs and nuts solve this problem. Nissan S14 turbo to manifold stud kit a well priced inconel solution. Usually just an issue with sustained high speed running and subsequent high heat exposure such as on track.
3) Turbo oil and water lines. Standard oil drain weeps, and standard lower water line gets a lot of heat exposure. Various solutions involving quality hoses and fittings. As above, shows as an issue mostly as a result of time on the track.
4) Brake line re-route. One of the brake lines fits down the tight gap between the dump pipe and bodywork. Track time can overheat this brake line. Easy enough to have that line replaced and routed through a pre-drilled hole on the other side of the ABS module.
5) Similarly, the clutch line which goes across to the left side of the car can also suffer from heat exposure from the turbo and exhaust. Braided stainless clutch line directly from master to slave solves this.
6) The standard SP clutch is awful. Replace with something such as Exedy Sports Tuff as soon as you get the chance!
7) The standard plastic Bosch blow off valve is not particularly durable. Replace with same when necessary, or buy a metal one and never worry about it again.

[Okibi]

SP
Common issues
1) Intercooler pipe replacement, some SP owners had rust inside their intercooler pipes and they were replaced under warranty with rubberised pipes. More details required.
2) Manifold studs, and turbo to manifold studs. Inconel studs and nuts solve this problem. Nissan S14 turbo to manifold stud kit a well priced inconel solution. Usually just an issue with sustained high speed running and subsequent high heat exposure such as on track.
3) Turbo oil and water lines. Standard oil drain weeps, and standard lower water line gets a lot of heat exposure. Various solutions involving quality hoses and fittings. As above, shows as an issue mostly as a result of time on the track.
4) Brake line re-route. One of the brake lines fits down the tight gap between the dump pipe and bodywork. Track time can overheat this brake line. Easy enough to have that line replaced and routed through a pre-drilled hole on the other side of the ABS module.
5) Similarly, the clutch line which goes across to the left side of the car can also suffer from heat exposure from the turbo and exhaust. Braided stainless clutch line directly from master to slave solves this.
6) The standard SP clutch is awful. Replace with something such as Exedy Sports Tuff as soon as you get the chance!
7) The standard plastic Bosch blow off valve is not particularly durable. Replace with same when necessary, or buy a metal one and never worry about it again.

Common mods
1) $2 mod, moving the tube for the waste gate .. (link to write up here)
2) Differentials (link to write ups here)

SE
Common issues
1) Intake rubber elbow inflating and blowing off (link to write ups here)
2) Loose Exhaust studs (link to write ups here)
Common mods
1) Catch can return valve (link to write up here)
2) Intercooler options (link to write ups here)[/quote]

[Lokiel]

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SE
Common issues
1) Intake rubber elbow inflating and blowing off (link to write ups here)
2) Loose Exhaust studs (link to write ups here)
Common mods
1) Catch can return valve (link to write up here)
2) Intercooler options (link to write ups here)

I don't believe these issues (except maybe Common mod #2 on tracked cars) are actually a problem with the stock MSM/SE since they've only been reported by people who've made performance modz to their car (feel free to cite any cases where stock MSM/SEs have suffered these issues, I'm only aware of them on modded cars).

The stock MSM/SE puts out about 110rwkw and with nothing more than a CAI, manual boost controller set to around 9.0psi and 2.5" exhaust, 145rwkw is easily achievable - that's almost 32% above stock.

Most car components are only engineered with a cost-effective safety margin (eg. 20%) so modding your car beyond this will cause issues.

ie. Mazda engineered the MSM/SE to be reliable at its stock power levels (which is why it has small 265cc injectors, a teeny-tiny-token intercooler, a low 7.5psi boost limit and the rubber elbow with hose clamp).


PS: You forgot some:

Common mods
3. Boost Gauge
4. CAI
5. MBC
6. 2.5-3" exhaust
7. 15" rims

[Okibi]

SP
Common issues
1) Intercooler pipe replacement, some SP owners had rust inside their intercooler pipes and they were replaced under warranty with rubberised pipes. More details required.
2) Manifold studs, and turbo to manifold studs. Inconel studs and nuts solve this problem. Nissan S14 turbo to manifold stud kit a well priced inconel solution. Usually just an issue with sustained high speed running and subsequent high heat exposure such as on track.
3) Turbo oil and water lines. Standard oil drain weeps, and standard lower water line gets a lot of heat exposure. Various solutions involving quality hoses and fittings. As above, shows as an issue mostly as a result of time on the track.
4) Brake line re-route. One of the brake lines fits down the tight gap between the dump pipe and bodywork. Track time can overheat this brake line. Easy enough to have that line replaced and routed through a pre-drilled hole on the other side of the ABS module.
5) Similarly, the clutch line which goes across to the left side of the car can also suffer from heat exposure from the turbo and exhaust. Braided stainless clutch line directly from master to slave solves this.
6) The standard SP clutch is awful. Replace with something such as Exedy Sports Tuff as soon as you get the chance!
7) The standard plastic Bosch blow off valve is not particularly durable. Replace with same when necessary, or buy a metal one and never worry about it again.

Common mods
1) $2 mod, moving the tube for the waste gate .. (link to write up here)
2) Differentials (link to write ups here)

SE
Common issues
1) Intake rubber elbow inflating and blowing off, happens even on stock SEs but mostly during competitive driving. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF4LVrC7o70
Solution(s) FM BEGI
2) Loose Exhaust studs
Solution: Replace studs in head
How to remove manifold
Common mods
1) Catch can return valve (link to write up here)
2) Intercooler options (link to write ups here)
3. Boost Gauge (link to write ups here)
4. Cold air intake (CAI) (link to write ups here)
5. Manual Boost Controller (MBC) (link to write ups here)
6. 2.5-3" exhaust (link to write ups here)
7. O2 Signal modifier - "A stock ECU can pull over 30% of its fuel if it thinks the engine is running rich."
FM

[Lokiel]

My updates in Red:

SP
Common issues
1) Intercooler pipe replacement, some SP owners had rust inside their intercooler pipes and they were replaced under warranty with rubberised pipes. More details required.
2) Manifold studs, and turbo to manifold studs. Inconel studs and nuts solve this problem. Nissan S14 turbo to manifold stud kit a well priced inconel solution. Usually just an issue with sustained high speed running and subsequent high heat exposure such as on track.
3) Turbo oil and water lines. Standard oil drain weeps, and standard lower water line gets a lot of heat exposure. Various solutions involving quality hoses and fittings. As above, shows as an issue mostly as a result of time on the track.
4) Brake line re-route. One of the brake lines fits down the tight gap between the dump pipe and bodywork. Track time can overheat this brake line. Easy enough to have that line replaced and routed through a pre-drilled hole on the other side of the ABS module.
5) Similarly, the clutch line which goes across to the left side of the car can also suffer from heat exposure from the turbo and exhaust. Braided stainless clutch line directly from master to slave solves this.
6) The standard SP clutch is awful. Replace with something such as Exedy Sports Tuff as soon as you get the chance!
7) The standard plastic Bosch blow off valve is not particularly durable. Replace with same when necessary, or buy a metal one and never worry about it again.

Common mods
1) $2 mod, moving the tube for the waste gate .. (link to write up here)
2) Differentials (link to write ups here)

SE
Common issues
1) OEM BOV is plastic and is known to leak, even when the car is stock - usually one of the first components upgraded (by now, most MSM/SEs probably have this replaced already).
2) Intake rubber elbow inflating and blowing off, happens even on stock SEs but mostly during competitive driving. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF4LVrC7o70
Solution(s) FM BEGI
3) Loose Exhaust studs
Solution: Replace studs in head
How to remove manifold
Common mods
1) Catch can return valve (link to write up here)
2) Intercooler options (link to write ups here)
3. Boost Gauge (95MSM In-Dash Boost Gauge mod Note: SpeedHut gauges are expensive but this mod places the boost gauge in its "most natural" position )
4. Cold air intake (CAI) ( AEM CAI Instructions (these are actually very good) or View here - if the links no longer work, do a Google-search for "AEM Installation Instructions PART NUMBER:22-489" or "AEM Short Ram System 2004 Mazdaspeed Miata")
5. Manual Boost Controller (MBC) (link to write ups here)
6. 2.5-3" exhaust (link to write ups here)
7. O2 Signal modifier - "A stock ECU can pull over 30% of its fuel if it thinks the engine is running rich."
FM

[93_Clubman]

I'd also like to have photos of each of the unique parts like the carbon airbox, SP sticker, SE cam cover. I'd love others to help supply the photos but you have to be happy for me to save them and modify/resize/crop etc as required. Post any photos you don't mind me using.

SP sticker (new unopened two piece in its original packaging):

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[bear2230]

I would be very happy if you were to sell me that sticker. I'm sure we can come to a deal.

Richard.

[93_Clubman]

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[Lokiel]

In the spreadsheet, you spelled "Grey" wrong: Titanium Gray 146.

- sorry, my inner "Grammar Nazi" couldn't help myself when I spotted it.

[Okibi]

It was a tribute to Sam Johnson.

[Lokiel]

I keep forgetting to post this little "GEM":

MSM/SE Steering Rack:

Mazda shortened the steering rack stroke to keep the tires from rubbing (from 60.5mm to 53.2mm); the ratio remains the same.

This results in a "4 foot larger turning circle compared to other NBs".

- yet another "BRILLIANT" reason for adopting 17" rims on the MSM/SE, "way to go Mazda"!

[Nevyn72]

Ummm, isn't that more to do with the rim and tyre width?
The offset and rolling diameter are exactly the same as every other NB out there, so the only difference is the 0.5" wider rim and 205 profile tyres..... Correct me if I'm wrong but you'd have the same problem with a 15" or 16" rim if it was 7" wide, +40 offset, and with a 205 profile tyre....

Think of it this way, by doing what they have done it actually makes it easier to fit wider tyres to an SE, without rubbing, on your rim diameter of choice, than a standard NB!

[billybunter]

I know some-one who has a white SE -or use to have one. Will be back on target colour wise when weather inproves in Sept.








I even thought about red wheels too lol but never followed through

[billybunter]

Forgot to mention. still running the same stuff as i put in it about 3 years ago. Just turned over 61,000 KLm the other day



Very happy with the usa cold air intake. I actually purchased the very first one in Aust. even Stephanie wasn'T sure about the fitting lol

[AndrewJZX100]

I keep forgetting to post this little "GEM":

MSM/SE Steering Rack:

Mazda shortened the steering rack stroke to keep the tires from rubbing (from 60.5mm to 53.2mm); the ratio remains the same.

This results in a "4 foot larger turning circle compared to other NBs".

That explains a great many things, guess a regular NB rack is on the mod list now.