how fkd is it? running an engine with no fluid.

plohl · Postby **plohl** » Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:50 pm

Magpie wrote:You can tell an awful lot from analysing the oil. Most major earthmoving companies use oil analysis to plan maintenance etc. You take a sample put it in the mail and the results come back. Even better on one project I worked on we had oil analysis on site, heaps of problems were solved very quickly.

Have a look here http://www.e-monitor.com.au/

Cheers! Might actually look into it for some stuff at work Haha

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gslender · Postby **gslender** » Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:14 pm

I would think a warped head/block is another likely issue - the head being ali and the block being steel would all react differently when they get all too hot. Next would be the rings as they are cast iron and again expand at different rates to the block etc.

Blowing smoke isn't good but a wet and dry compression test should tell ya if that's a big issue.

The oil would have taken a lot of the heat away around moving parts (and is really the main heat remover in key parts like bearings etc).

Tough little engine though.

G

zero00 · Postby **zero00** » Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:40 pm

Sorry to hear that Shane - if you have the meeting with the Assessors perhaps raise that point as to why YOU should be responsible if they find nothing - reminds me a little of the Apprentice at the Ford Dealership in Wagga who did a service on a car, forgot to add oil, the car wasn't checked by the Senior Staff and out it went - well not far, but out it went - they HAD to repair

As for W/o, to me NOT an option, they screwed up on your pride and joy - they fix regardless!

Hope all goes well and was looking forward to catching up 20 May at QR

Pamex · Postby **Pamex** » Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:50 pm

This shouldn't go against your repair fee insurance wise. The insurance company will fight it, but as they mucked it up when doing the job, they have to cop it. It's one of the nasty parts of owning a business. :wink:

They should have submitted a quote to the insurance company too. They need to hold to that, so I doubt it will be written off. More that someone is going to get a right royal kicking for not checking things. :mrgreen:

Regardless, sorry to hear of your issues and here's for a speedy mechanical recovery.

sailaholic · Postby **sailaholic** » Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:05 pm

Seeing as they are fixing the wiring if their mechanic doesn't seem to think anything is wrong might be worth a second opinion for a repairer of your choice. You could even put that to just car in advance.

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plohl · Postby **plohl** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:54 am

An auto electrician is doing the wiring.

I requested them to send it to a different independent mechanic - not the one with ties to the panel beaters. The guy said he could do that, so hopefully that is what happens. I might give them a call today and request a copy of the report.

Such a F around!

greenMachine · Postby **greenMachine** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:25 am

Data point.

I seriously overheated the GM at the previous SS round at WP a month ago - water coming out of the bonnet side, guage off the clock, but not total water loss. New (secondhand) radiator, new thermostat, and all seems ok - not using water, no raised water temp. All tests for blown head gasket negative. Ran EC GP circuit last weekend without incident.

Nevertheless, observers of the incident saw white smoke coming out the tailpipe for a solid lap or more, so I am not totally confident that I have escaped head gasket damage but for now I am just enjoying the car while keeping a close eye on the temp guage and the water level.

Good luck.

:mrgreen:

Mr Morlock · Postby **Mr Morlock** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:26 pm

people make mistakes including your choice of repairer. If the car overheated as Dann said it still would have had water in the rad. Its not all uncommon to get air traps in the system and it might have given the appearance of being full. The poster remarked "It never used to blow much smoke, more fuel if anything" which suggests the engine was not brilliant so I guess you do not volunteer that info. My bet is that Shannon's will do the assessment correctly and the repairer does not seem to be hiding.

sailaholic · Postby **sailaholic** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:42 pm

It blows fuel because its not standard tune or engine.

If they put 5 litres of coolant in I'd say they didn't fill it not just that it had an airlock. Particular if you knew the litany of other f ups such as wiring twiched together or left bare.

zero00 · Postby **zero00** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:09 pm

Mr Morlock wrote:people make mistakes including your choice of repairer. If the car overheated as Dann said it still would have had water in the rad. Its not all uncommon to get air traps in the system and it might have given the appearance of being full. The poster remarked "It never used to blow much smoke, more fuel if anything" which suggests the engine was not brilliant so I guess you do not volunteer that info. My bet is that Shannon's will do the assessment correctly and the repairer does not seem to be hiding.

with respect, I know the car and followed it quite a way to a Track Day at QR, no smoke blowing nor when at 'full song' on the track did it blow smoke, something for some reason I always watch at track days from the pit wall .. I'm not shy if I see 'blue smoke' to mention to the owner, simply in case they are not aware - same as if mine did I would hope someone would let me know

Hope it all goes well Shane

plohl · Postby **plohl** » Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:10 am

Thanks for the replies everyone - and thanks for the kind words Roger!

I spoke to the assessor yesterday and my car wont have been checked out by the mechanic today.

they have sorted the following
- wiring fixed
- all the bent fins on the new radiator have be combed back and the radiator has been pressure tested again
- All the little sh*t like the number plate being put in the wrong spot has been fixed

The car is supposedly having the radiator install today and will be taken to the mechanics - the downside of the conversation yesterday is the tests they were going to run (dry and wet compression, sniff/NO test, leak-down) had decrease to just a compression test. I informed the assessor that the other assessor (ex-mechanic) had suggested the other tests be done so he was going to sort that out. Should here from them again today to find out an expected completion date - and they should be increasing the hire car period.

So another weekend without the car - dirt sprints are on this sunday too

@greenmachine - Yeah, I am worried that the tests will show nothing but in a months time things will go downhill. As it is my daily, it'll be a little inconvenient.

Anyway, hopefully it all goes well... whatever way well is...

plohl · Postby **plohl** » Fri Apr 19, 2013 2:31 pm

Just heard back from the assessors... supposedly the engine checked out fine.

Car will be ready to pick up monday morning. I am getting copy's of all the test results and report from the mechanic... supposedly.

Magpie · Postby **Magpie** » Fri Apr 19, 2013 2:45 pm

Ask about the warranty on the repairs and the report. Enquire as to how long they will last and what happens if you get a second opinion?

plohl · Postby **plohl** » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:19 pm

They have life time guarantee on repairs... but it wasn't a repair... so... but yeah, was going to ask them about it tomorrow, along with the second opinion stuff

plohl · Postby **plohl** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:15 pm

Results are in...

compression - dry
cylinder 1 - 145
cylinder 2 - 140
cylinder 3 - 135
cylinder 4 - 130

wet
cylinder 1 - 170
cylinder 2 - 160
cylinder 3 - 170
cylinder 4 - 160

Passed the Te-kay (???) test - it says "(CO2 in cooling system)" but I thought the test was to test for carbon monoxide (CO).

Just checked the NA6 compression values - 135 is the min. :S

What are the spec's for an NA8/BP engine?