24 hrs of lemon

rain902 · Postby **rain902** » Sat May 12, 2012 5:41 pm

i stumbled upon the regulations from the 24 hours of Lemons earlier - thought that I would post them for all to laugh maniacally at.

http://www.24hoursoflemons.com/pricesandrules.aspx

manga_blue · Postby **manga_blue** » Sat May 12, 2012 8:23 pm

Not all that silly. I could be seriously interested in an event like that. Looks much better than the usual 6hrs event we have around this country.

Has Beavis still got his Telstar?

deviant · Postby **deviant** » Sat May 12, 2012 8:45 pm

Motorsport in this country is flocked, we would never be allowed to run anything like that. The powers that be are to scared of lawyers and insurance companies.

Personally I understand the risks of motorsport and hold nobody but myself to blame if something goes wrong and would love to enter LeMons.

Considering that if you pay for the car and your own entry your cost to enter the race would be US$600. They allow an international drivers licence so no worries on that side of it. I reckon that you could find a team to join and fly out and do the event....heck if 2 of you joined a team you can share accomodation and make a good contribution to the running costs. Flights are not terribly expensive these days either. Food for thought...

Zcootz · Postby **Zcootz** » Sat May 12, 2012 11:39 pm

That is Gold! I would enter in a flash

rain902 · Postby **rain902** » Sun May 13, 2012 12:20 am

deviant wrote: I reckon that you could find a team to join and fly out and do the event....heck if 2 of you joined a team you can share accomodation and make a good contribution to the running costs. Flights are not terribly expensive these days either. Food for thought...

yep, i'd be there in a heartbeat.

rain902 · Postby **rain902** » Sun May 13, 2012 12:23 am

sadly, the lawyers have their filthy mitts upon motorsport, and the Conspiracy Against Motorsport is nothing more than an insurance broker that charges us for the right to tell them we have no health issues, then expects a donation to their tax dodge safety institute that gets grants from the fed. govt.

lightyear · Postby **lightyear** » Sun May 13, 2012 8:56 am

When you get your own piece of land, this will be possible. I used to do this years ago, on dirt tracks in a friends back yard. Obviously this is better, as they have some rules - and some safety. If we had a car with working brakes...

greenMachine · Postby **greenMachine** » Sun May 13, 2012 5:20 pm

lightyear wrote:When you get your own piece of land, this will be possible. ...

It is one thing to have a bash around with a mate, but something like 'lemons' will require licences, insurance and all that stuff. Just how close you could keep to that concept I don't know, but some of these non-CAMS sanctioned events seem to be a little, shall we say, loose.

Having said that, the US has some very interesting enduro events for what seems like amateur teams, up to 25 hrs :shock:

. I wish we had more of that sort of thing, perhaps the Wakefield/Winton 300s might grow ...

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toppertee · Postby **toppertee** » Mon May 14, 2012 3:39 pm

Well lets stop talking about and lets make it happen.
I'm Keen.
Where do we start! Flower the law makers!
I'm happy to get the ball rolling.
Any ideas?

Pamex · Postby **Pamex** » Mon May 14, 2012 4:12 pm

There is 1k racing in Tas as well. Similar concept. So yes, you can do it in Australia.

OurCognitiveSurplus · Postby **OurCognitiveSurplus** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:39 pm

Why couldn't a group hire a track like Wakefield for a two-day period and do what they like?

greenMachine · Postby **greenMachine** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:39 pm

OurCognitiveSurplus wrote:Why couldn't a group hire a track like Wakefield for a two-day period and do what they like?

Basically because the circuit owners will not let you do (literally) whatever you want. You will have to comply with certain requirements that they have, but within those constraints, I would suppose that anything goes.

I would suggest that a better option would be to round up a certain number of potential entries, and then approach the circuit to see if they would be interested in staging such an event. That way, you would be operating under the legal, organisational, and operational structures of the circuit, without having to worry about covering them yourself. If you went down this route, I would imagine that the circuit would initially stage one or two races within their "normal" race program, which would allow a gradual ramp up in activity, to the point perhaps where a full race meeting might be devoted to it if the numbers were sufficient.

If you really want to go it alone, and simply hire the circuit (that is, act as your own promoter and organiser, not to mention securing all the resources necessary to actually be able to run a meeting), unless you have access to your own circuit you will still have to comply with certain minimum requirements of the circuit owner as well as cover yourself for legal liability.

I remember in the early days, before the Canberra chapter was formed, there was a lot of discussion about us running our own motorkanas out at Fairburn. They all came to nothing because of the realisation that (unlikely as it may be) whoever took the initiative and started organising it would be in the gun should anything untoward happen, with absolutely no insurance cover.

The insurance is not a trivial issue. Liability waivers such as we sign when entering an event, basically are not worth the paper they are written on. In any event, if the entrant/driver does not survive, you can almost guarantee that their wife/partner/parent/someone will sue, and they haven't signed any disclaimer. The bottom line is, the organiser owes a "duty of care" to participants, spectators, hangers on, and anyone and everyone else. It is almost impossible to sign that away.

:mrgreen: