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Re: stealth turbo/SC kit? p plater wanting boost on the sly

Postby slimx » Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:51 pm

Just to be clear were all talking comprehensive. not 3rd party.

1st point

Illegal? no how can it be..

With companies like NRMA and GIO there policy clearly states that they allow UN-NAMED drivers to DRIVE THE VEHICLE as their policy is that if you are not listed you just pay the EXTRA EXCESS which in NRMA's case is (Your normal excess e.g. $600) + another $2,500 no-named driver excess.

Im not arguiing here i just want to know if its REALY ILLEGAL. Cause this is advice that is given every where around the world.. for young drivers

AND!!
its not a bit extra, in my old car i think i was quoted $6,000 as a SECOND DRIVER a year and $1,200 under my mothers name under my name it just WOULD NOT BE COVERED (this was for a honda integra). That's a very big difference in my opinion it isnt extra cash. You can buy another car for the same amount.

It shouldnt be illegal as long as the car isn't registered under MY OWN name then i guess it would considered MY CAR. it will be be registered under the mums name as .. GREEN SLIP and everything is also cheaper. (btw i know i keep saying mum.. dad works too .. in my case it wont horrible road rage incidents lol)

It isn't illegal to drive a car that isn't yours.

Have you ever watched top gear or read a magazine regarding young drivers, they all say the exact same thing register and insure under the parents. As it is the only realistic way to afford comprehensive.

Even third party with a yuong driver listed is $1000 a year or $400 a year under the parents all it does is come with a higher excess..

Would u rather pay the extra few grand EVERY YEAR whether u have an accident or not AND IF YOU HIT IT U STILL PAY A LARGE SUM.
or pay LESS every year MUCH LESS and only pay that large sum when u smash?

On top of all that.. what if your car is keyed? burnt? etc..
You gonna pay the RIP OFF EXCESS?? or you gonna pay your mothers excess? which is $2500 cheaper then yours!

For $3200 i can easily get a FULL PAINT JOB. Why would i go through insurance? What is the point in having the thing.
For $800 a new paintjob sounds good to me
(this also applies to smashes) if you hit a wall you gonna say HI IM 18 I SMASHED THE CAR CHARGE ME TRIPLE
or hi im 35 a mum and lost control and pay less.

it just doesnt make sense why would u put urself in debt its not a legal issue its just a common sense. thing

PERHAPS IT IS ILLEGAL IN SOME WAY, but the point is it isnt illegal to drive someone elses car so how can driving a car insured under your parents name be illegal?

But ofcourse this does VARY on different companies!!
e.g. AAMI DOES NOT COVERED UN-NAMED drivers from what i remmeber. If you aren't named you are NOT COVERED.

Please dont take this as like an arguement.. im just curious as to how u can show me .. it is illegal/fraud remember techincally it isnt the YOUNG DRIVERS car if it is registered under the mums name.

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2nd point (about the mods)

That was my point..

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3rd point

thank u :) i realised after that firefox has spellcheck and just press correct after i wrote that long msg

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p.s. i know its beginning to go futher and further off topic. This guy asked a question and we went on our own topic spree.

let me just be clear.

No you cant do it on the sly. Its illegal. They'll find and catch u one day.
In my personal opinion supercharger is more quiet.
If you are up for it just dont SMASH the car, you will be screwed but you could fight their policy as there are lots of holes and mistakes they made. e.g. Does not say WE DO NOT COVER YOUNG DRIVERS WHO ARE ILLEGALY DRIVING A PERFORMANCE VEHICLE.

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Re: stealth turbo/SC kit? p plater wanting boost on the sly

Postby hks_kansei » Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:04 pm

You can legally drive a car regsitered in another person's name

You can legally drive a car insured in another person's name. (up to the insurance company if you need to be listed)


However, the way you responded seemed as though you were suggesting that if you have an accident to give the name of the insured owner, not the person driving.
That's illegal.

But if you meant give your own name as the driver, and then all the relevant insurance details, that's ok.

ie:
Car insured under parent's name, let's say "John"
Son is driving, let's say "Geoff"
Geoff crashes the car into a house, police come etc.

Option 1: (Illegal)
Geoff tells the police his name is John, John has insurance issues etc.
Illegal as Geoff has given false info to police, and technically also commited fraud.

Option 2: (legal)
Geoff tells police his name, etc and insurance details (saying it's insured as John, but Geoff was driving)
Insurance do their thing, charge for unlisted driver etc.
Legal, but a lot of stuffing around.




on a similar note, P Platers can't drive a turbo/supercharged vehicle at all. Doesn't matter who it's registered under.
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Re: stealth turbo/SC kit? p plater wanting boost on the sly

Postby Jeo » Fri Jan 27, 2012 2:05 pm

Sorry Slimx, not buying it, not even a little. You said something stupid and are now backpedalling trying to work your way out of it.

Your original statement.
slimx wrote:But honestly, who cares just give a fake name dont keep your license on u. Better off.. saves you a few grand or a million if u hit a house/ferrari/lambo etc..


Which you then followed up with.
slimx wrote:oh and When i said LIE ABOUT YOUR NAME
I dont mean GIVE BOB MARLEY sorry i wasnt clear i shouldve said this:

ASSUMUNG U USED YOUR COMMON SENSE AND INSURED THE VEHICLE UNDER AN ADULTS NAME + NON P PLATER + FULL LICENSED + 5 YRS DRIVING EXPERIENCE
i mean give an ADULTS name e.g. your mother or father (insurance will be $1750 - 2500 cheaper AND IT COVERS THEM)


That's not even remotely relevant. If your car is insured, regardless of whether it's under your name or your parents, you will not be covered if it's illegally modified. End of story.

The only possible way your original statement could have been relevant was if you intended to drive without your licence on you, and then give false information if you get pulled over/hit someone. Enjoy prison after you get busted for that one.



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No, it's not illegal to drive a car owned by someone else. You driving your parents car under their insurance is perfectly legitimate. Problem comes if and when they prove that it is actually your car, as then can then choose not to pay at all. You mention Top Gear here (and might I add what a brilliant fact based show to take your legal advice from) and even they say that you shouldn't actually do it because if you get caught, you're screwed.

Basically, insurance companies aren't stupid. They make their money by encouraging you to bet against yourself and they're pretty good at it. You are not smarter than their lawyers; if you try to find loop holes in their system, you will probably lose. Do everything right and you should be fine.

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Re: stealth turbo/SC kit? p plater wanting boost on the sly

Postby slimx » Fri Jan 27, 2012 5:43 pm

hks_kansei
Yes i was referring to OPTION 1 the illegal way as obviously to get away with something illegal u have to do something ILLEGAL u cannot drive it a legal way unless you have exemption.
The op knows this hence why "WANTING BOOST ON THE SLY" is added

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I am not selling.
What are you on?
Watch your mouth.

About the illegally modified the insurance wont cover you. That is not true the NRMA does not ask you in depth details i believe that if you have rims they do no replace the rims you have otherwise your cars lowered? No problem, air filter? no worries, exhaust? never heard of a problem.
NRMA lets you take it to your own repairer yes?

You send it to your repairer..
he calls an assessor (not sure how to spell it again) out which ONLY ASSESSES THE COST given to him by the panel beater (which is the COST OF FIXING the stupid thing not if its legal or not). Not the legal issuse and modifications of the vehicle.
How can SHOW CARS get insurance? I have several friensd who dont even state they have rims, a fancy paint job, a dozen engine modifications.
The only issue ive ever heard of was.. DIFFERENT ENGINE NUMBERS.. to the rego thats understandable.

To your other stupid ass comment.
I dont get my legal advice from top gear, as you know but they are not allowed to promote illegal activities.. I was just implying that its PROMOTED by television shows.

Never said im smarter, no one is.
the OP asked HOW CAN I DO SOMETHING ILLEGAL I GAVE HIM A SOLUTION which obviously was also illegal
i suggest you use your common sense before you start making stupid comments yourself.

if someones asks a stupid question you give a stupid answer. This was a stupid answer but it is realisticly the only way to POSSIBLY (yes YOU CAN GET CAUGHT.. but eh.. find a better way..) to get away with it.
edit: "sorry Jeo"

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Re: stealth turbo/SC kit? p plater wanting boost on the sly

Postby Hjt » Fri Jan 27, 2012 6:29 pm

Can we all just agree Slimx has issues, and cannot spell correctly, and drop this subject.

Anyone with a brain knows the complexities involving insurance companies and how to avoid large excess or claims.

I just pay a full $1600 per year on comprehensive insurance with Shannons, and if I screw up I pay the incurred costs.

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Re: stealth turbo/SC kit? p plater wanting boost on the sly

Postby hks_kansei » Fri Jan 27, 2012 7:20 pm

slimx wrote:hks_kansei
Yes i was referring to OPTION 1 the illegal way as obviously to get away with something illegal u have to do something ILLEGAL u cannot drive it a legal way unless you have exemption.


I see, do one thing illegal, then do others to cover it.

Easy solution then.

If driving an illegally modified car and you crash, simply pull out an illegally owned gun and shoot all the people in the area.
There, solved.


As for your other points, plain and simple, you are wrong, have you ever read an insurance contract?
I would guess not.


Anyway, thank you for the entertainment, and welcome to my ignore list.
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Re: stealth turbo/SC kit? p plater wanting boost on the sly

Postby slimx » Sat Jan 28, 2012 1:08 am

His asking HOW TO DO SOMETHING ILLEGAL, ILLEGALLY
What does he mean by "Sly"

He obviously knows its illegal. im saying the only way to potentially get away with it is illegally try and get away with it ? True or not
If there was a LEGAL way to get away with something illegal i would of pointed that out.

And were takling about turbo'd p plater drivers not everyone elses normal insurance costs :)

On paper yes, it says blah blah canot be illegally modified but in reality they dont realy check.

I dont have issues i was just helping out the op. Hjt dont make an issue, you were a smart ass last time your being one again.

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Re: stealth turbo/SC kit? p plater wanting boost on the sly

Postby Pamex » Sat Jan 28, 2012 1:41 am

Yes, they do check mods. Of course they do. It's an easy way to knock back claims.

They also check to see what mods are on the car. This is also as part of the value. I have a fair few mods listed for mine. They check these out to make sure they are there, instead of paying out for parts when I've actually got stock parts on.

This is pretty basic. Of course they check. Not sure why anyone would think otherwise.
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Postby Okibi » Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:36 am

Pam's correct and adding lying to the Police or insurance company is only going to add to the trouble you'd already be in. So lets not too side tracked by all the different ways you can dig a deeper hole for yourself.

I think the important thing you point out is you don't own an MX-5 yet, YES they're under powered but they still have plenty of power to get you in trouble.

Adding more power won't help you corner any faster, more power will get you up to speed faster which can be a good thing but don't expect the MX-5 to be quick down the 1/4 mile with low boost.

Most people with "cheater" systems won't post photos of them online but i'm sure if you search for "miata" and "trunk" and "turbo" on google long enough you'll find some photos of someone who's done it or even look on youtube.

Without sounding like an old fart, spend your money on driver training and handling mods before you go down the whole turbo/clutch/injectors/ECU/IC/fuel pump/dyno time route.
If you had access to a car like this, would you take it back right away? Neither would I.

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Postby Hjt » Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:45 am

I can hardly fathom how one person can run a business and still have such a mindset. I'm not being a smart arse, your the laughing stock of these forums and you don't seem to learn.

Just give it up.

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Postby slimx » Sat Jan 28, 2012 3:50 pm

Hjt wrote:I can hardly fathom how one person can run a business and still have such a mindset. I'm not being a smart arse, your the laughing stock of these forums and you don't seem to learn.

Just give it up.


I was just stating that.. it isnt legal and the only way to get away with it is just dig yourself deeper.
and you just MIGHT get away :)
you guys are just stuck on OMG hes recmomending blah blah .. this that. RELAX.

about the hole calling you a smart-arse i am sorry im not trying to piss u off.. but this is WHY.
even if a stupid question is asked i only reply with an answer sometimes i get psytracted thats about it. You seem to Not answer but just comment on the question most of the time or answer with a stupid "state-the-obvious" insult. Im not gonna get into an arguement on the forums one day if i see u we can have a little chat and discuss why u think im so funny.

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I'm not being a smart arse, your the laughing stock of these forums and you don't seem to learn. ?
You were quiet nice to me when we met?
Rather then being a keyboard hero keep these sort of comments face to face. or just keep your mouth shut :) yeh?

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Re: stealth turbo/SC kit? p plater wanting boost on the sly

Postby NitroDann » Sat Jan 28, 2012 6:50 pm

Im going to state some facts here for food for thought.

Illegal stuff is illegal

The law is written so that there is no way to do something illegal, legally.

The only way to get away with something illegal is to do something else illegal to cover the first thing, just like you cannot tell the truth to cover a lie.

Slims right here.

His advice may be things I wouldnt do, but the only way to get away with hitting somebody, for example, is to run. thats a 2nd crime. But its still the only way.

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Re: stealth turbo/SC kit? p plater wanting boost on the sly

Postby Hjt » Sat Jan 28, 2012 8:25 pm

Can we just lock this thread?

Slimx, I was nice to you before I knew you now I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.

Learn to spell (and argue) before trying to take me on.

As for his sponsorship of this forum, I'm willing to pay double his fees just to have him removed. Food for thought Dave.


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