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Re: Yellow Speed Racing coilovers

Postby pepejesus » Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:15 pm

NitroDann wrote:Id be amazed if you keep this setting, shocks and springs work as a matched package. If you run the dampers soft that all well and good but the springs are still very stiff, with a setting like this the dampers can no longer control the oscillation of the spring as they aren't effectively strong enough.
This gives a ride like being in a work ute with nothing in the tray and no fuel in the tank, and after a little while youll be busting to pee.
I guarantee you that you will find the car more comfortable with the shocks a little better damped unless the spring rates are horribly poorly matched to the damping, which I doubt, but who knows they are still under development right?

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Dann, to say this with any accuracy whatsover you'd have to know what effect the adjusters have on the damping sweep... for which you'd need shock dyno plots...

Care to share? ;)
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Postby gslender » Fri Jul 15, 2011 9:18 pm

david_syd_au wrote:The YSR coilovers have an adjustment slot at the top of each shock, with a removable tool that is used to turn the adjuster. Once an adjustment is made, which takes around 30 seconds or so per shock (depending on your co-ordination), it takes effect immediately.

So if I am driving along a road, and decide I want to firm up the suspension, I can stop, adjust the shocks, hop back in the car, and start driving with the new settings.


I've got HSDs but same concept for height and shock adjustment.

Question: when adjusting on the fly, is the rear a pain in the a&$e due to a) the fuel filler pipes and b) the spare tyre?

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Re: Yellow Speed Racing coilovers

Postby david_syd_au » Fri Jul 15, 2011 11:25 pm

gslender wrote:
david_syd_au wrote:The YSR coilovers have an adjustment slot at the top of each shock, with a removable tool that is used to turn the adjuster. Once an adjustment is made, which takes around 30 seconds or so per shock (depending on your co-ordination), it takes effect immediately.

So if I am driving along a road, and decide I want to firm up the suspension, I can stop, adjust the shocks, hop back in the car, and start driving with the new settings.


I've got HSDs but same concept for height and shock adjustment.

Question: when adjusting on the fly, is the rear a pain in the a&$e due to a) the fuel filler pipes and b) the spare tyre?

G


The YSRs are installed in my NC, so no spare tyre, and less shielding around the fuel filler than on a NB.

For now, I have left out the plastic dress panels on both sides of the boot, to allow easy access to the shocks. I plan to look for some form of remote adjuster, which would allow be to replace the dress panels, and still be able to adjust the shocks.

Sounds like you have a similar need?
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Postby gslender » Fri Jul 15, 2011 11:38 pm

david_syd_au wrote:Sounds like you have a similar need?


Yep. Perhaps RC servos would do it?

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Re: Yellow Speed Racing coilovers

Postby david_syd_au » Sat Jul 16, 2011 2:10 pm

gslender wrote:
david_syd_au wrote:Sounds like you have a similar need?


Yep. Perhaps RC servos would do it?

G


Servos may be an option, although they would not be able to sense the tactile feedback of the clicks a user feels when adjusting the shocks.

The collar around the adjuster at the top of the YSR shocks is threaded. I though an option would be some form of cable that could attach to that thread, be passed through a gap in the boot paneling to allow remote adjustment. Like this:

http://blackhaloracing.com/?page_id=60& ... uct_id=156

I haven't yet done an extensive search, and then evaluated compatibility with the YSR shocks.
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Postby gslender » Sat Jul 16, 2011 4:47 pm

Nice idea. The HSDs have a cam face, and you attach a collar button with thumb screw to secure it. Adapting this to a simple solid cable/rod system would be the go!!

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Re: Yellow Speed Racing coilovers

Postby reflex » Mon Jul 18, 2011 11:34 am

@ david_syd_au you mention the adjustment is taking you 30 seconds per corner, to which I agree, but what have you done to allow instant access to the front strut tops/aduster holes in regards to the strut tower brace? I would think it would take a couple of spanners and at least 5-10 minutes to unbolt/bolt up the brace for each and every time you adjust the shock settings.
Also, you mentioned you dropped the front ride height an extra 10mm, did you do this via the spring pre load or did you have to disassemble the whole lower suspension to allow adjustment of the shock body?

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Re: Yellow Speed Racing coilovers

Postby david_syd_au » Mon Jul 18, 2011 12:06 pm

An update on my NC YSR coilovers after 3 weeks.

First a brief timeline to give context:
27/6: YSR coilovers installed in my 2006 NC by MX5 Mania
9/7: I measured the ride heights, and lowered the front an additional 10 mm, leaving front at 335 mm and rear at 345 mm, hub centre to guard.
16/7: Wheel alignment by Stu at Spinning Wheel Tyres
17/7: MX5 club run to Hunter Valley

My MX5 has about 55k kms, and is stock, apart from the YSR coilovers, and after-market wheels which were on the car when I bought it earlier this year, and which I believe are same size as the OEM alloys.

Overall, I am very happy with the YSRs. They provide a much more controlled ride than the original springs & shocks, substantially improved handling, with the trade-off being some loss in comfort on rough surfaces.

Damping adjustment

The YSR coilovers allow adjustment of compression and rebound damping, with a range of 0 to 32, where 0 is softest and 32 is firmest.

I want to be able to adjust the YSR damping for 3 scenarios
1. A comfort setting, for cruises with my wife
2. A sport setting, for daily driving, and the odd weekend blast
3. A track setting, for the occasional track day

I initially tried 0 & 0 (0/32 front and 0/32 rear) for the comfort setting, but found that although it was better damped than the original suspension, it was still too bouncy which reduced the ride comfort.
I have settled on 4 & 6 as a good compromise. We used these settings for the club run to the Hunter Valley yesterday (17/7), and both enjoyed the feel and handling of the car, with only a few moments of discomfort on rough and/or patched roads.

For the sport setting I am using 8 & 12, which gives a firm ride that I like, and seems to sharpen the handling a little.

I haven't yet done a track day, and so can't report on suitable track settings.

Clearance

No clearance issues to report. I have only had one grounding so far, of the nose, and that was on a driveway entrance which had been a problem even before the YSRs were fitted and the car lowered.

I am of course being more careful now, so this situation may change as I inevitably become less timid about scrapping.

Handling

First, I must declare that I am not a car expert, not an expert driver, and that these are just my impressions.

My initial reaction on the changed handling of the car with the YSRs was "Wow!". The ride was much, much more controlled, the turn in to corners felt like a go kart, it sat much flatter round corners, and it followed a line around corners like it was on the proverbial rails. There were a couple of issues, like the steering wheel being slightly offset when travelling straight, and some skitishness when travelling straight, which I put down to the alignment being affected by the changed suspension setup. This was expected, and the original plan was to have the alignment done after the YSRs had been given a few weeks to settle.

When I took the car to Stu at Spinning Wheel Tyres last Saturday, he found that there was over 2 deg of negative camber at the front, which would have helped the go kart turn-in, of course, at the expense of tyre wear. He performed the wheel alignment, using his standard NC road car settings, but with slightly more caster to improve the camber on turns at track days.

It was with the new alignment that we did the Hunter Valley run yesterday, using my "comfort" shock settings. The turn in to corners was not quite as sharp as before the alignment, but not that much different, and certainly much better than stock. It still tracked around corners flat and on rails. The skitishness was gone too.
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I have removed some of the plastic panelling from the boot to allow for easy access when adjusting the rear shocks, and would like to find some means of remotely adjusting those shock, so the boot can be returned to normal. I have asked MX5 Mania to enquire about options from Yellow Speed Racing.

There are 2 C-spanners supplied with the YSRs shocks which fit the collars used to set the spring preload and ride height. The spanners are a little weak, and I bent one of the buggers when loosening the shock collars to adjust the front ride height. Maybe I am just ham-fisted. Anyway, I straightened the spanner ok, and it should be right to use in the future. Not a big issue, as I don't expect to be changing the ride height too often.
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Re: Yellow Speed Racing coilovers

Postby david_syd_au » Mon Jul 18, 2011 12:38 pm

reflex wrote:@ david_syd_au you mention the adjustment is taking you 30 seconds per corner, to which I agree, but what have you done to allow instant access to the front strut tops/aduster holes in regards to the strut tower brace? I would think it would take a couple of spanners and at least 5-10 minutes to unbolt/bolt up the brace for each and every time you adjust the shock settings.


David from MX5 Mania drilled an 8'ish mm hole in the bracket of the brace, allowing access for the shaft of the adjuster to the top of the shock. I don't expect it would make any difference to the strength or integrity of the brace.

reflex wrote:Also, you mentioned you dropped the front ride height an extra 10mm, did you do this via the spring pre load or did you have to disassemble the whole lower suspension to allow adjustment of the shock body?


I did it via the ride height adjustment, not spring preload, and no disassembly was necessary.
A mate has a car repair/maintenance shop, so I put the car up on his hoist. Used one of the YSR supplied C-spanners to loosen the locking collar on the ride height, I then loosened the main collar, and screwed it up the thread on the shock body so that about 10mm of thread was exposed. I then turned the entire shock body in place, using a c-spanner on the spring preload locking collar for leverage (but not changing the preload), and kept turning the shock body, screwing it into the base, until the 10mm gap to the collar was closed, then tightened the locking collar. I could have done this without the hoist, by jacking each corner of the car and crawling under, but it was more comfortable using the hoist.
It took about 10 mins per shock. Someone who was a more competent with mechanical stuff could have probably done it in 2 minutes.
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Re: Yellow Speed Racing coilovers

Postby reflex » Tue Jul 19, 2011 3:53 pm

thanks for the feedback and answers David.
The drilled hole was what I was thinking, but wasn't sure about the 'integrity' issue, so glad to hear Mania did that as I will now go and dig out my drill!

Interesting your description of how you've gone about adjusting the ride height by turning the shock body. I did not install the ysr's, and when the mechanic initially set the heights it was far too high all round, and he had a bit of a whinge about how much of a pain it was to adjust the front as he had to disassemble the whole lower suspension as the shock body couldn't be adjusted as you have described. I wonder i this is another 'design update' between your YSR's and mine, or whether my mech was having a bad day. I'll crawl under and see what I find. Further investigation required! thanks again.
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Re: Yellow Speed Racing coilovers

Postby david_syd_au » Tue Jul 19, 2011 4:17 pm

reflex wrote:thanks for the feedback and answers David.
The drilled hole was what I was thinking, but wasn't sure about the 'integrity' issue, so glad to hear Mania did that as I will now go and dig out my drill!


The hole was a pain to drill, as it is difficult to determine the right location.
David ended up making a cardboard template of the brace mounting bracket after removing the brace, and then pushed the template against the mounting bolts and shock top to get the positions marked.
The template could then be used to locate the hole on that side, and then reversed for the other side.
Hmm, not a good explanation, but once you starting looking at it, you will understand.

The hole only needs to be big enough for the adjuster shaft, about 3 or 4mm from memory, but because it was difficult to get the location spot on, he made the hole a little larger.

I would suggest starting with the smallest hole that will accept the adjuster shaft, refit the brace, and only enlarge the hole if necessary to compensate from the location being slightly off.


reflex wrote:Interesting your description of how you've gone about adjusting the ride height by turning the shock body. I did not install the ysr's, and when the mechanic initially set the heights it was far too high all round, and he had a bit of a whinge about how much of a pain it was to adjust the front as he had to disassemble the whole lower suspension as the shock body couldn't be adjusted as you have described. I wonder i this is another 'design update' between your YSR's and mine, or whether my mech was having a bad day. I'll crawl under and see what I find. Further investigation required! thanks again.


FYI, You may need to loosen the ride height collar and locking collar to turn the shock. Going down for sure, going up, not sure.
For me, once that was done, it turned easily using the c-spanner on the preload collar for leverage.
Probably a good idea to clean the thread up first too.

If you are up my way, I am glad to demonstrate or help, but then, as I only live 5 mins from MX5 Mania, you might as well go there!
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Re: Yellow Speed Racing coilovers

Postby emx005 » Tue Jul 19, 2011 8:23 pm

Got mine installed today (NA6) and the boys at Mania showed me all the adjustments. The rear was a little low so they raised it for me in a matter of minutes. While they are new you can turn the actual shock pretty easily once the locking collar is loosened. Over time it would have to be done with the C spanner.

My right rear is about 5-10mm lower than the left at the moment after a long day of driving. Going in to get a wheel alignment tomorrow ahead of the Sydney-Gold Coast run Thursday morning so when they have the wheels off to balance I'll just adjust that coilover while it's up on the hoist. It looks doable with a jack though so it's not a massive pain... just more time consuming.

On the standard settings (8 clicks and 12 clicks) it's an awesome ride on nice roads. Corners are amazing after removing 19 year old shocks and springs. I'll soften them up a couple of clicks for the long drive and then work them back up when I get there for day to day driving. Very happy with the result but I'm sure my wife will find them a little too stiff. Oh well... she can drive her car more often! :lol:

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Re: Yellow Speed Racing coilovers

Postby NitroDann » Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:45 am

david_syd_au wrote:An update on my NC YSR coilovers after 3 weeks.

1. A comfort setting, for cruises with my wife


I initially tried 0 & 0 (0/32 front and 0/32 rear) for the comfort setting, but found that although it was better damped than the original suspension, it was still too bouncy which reduced the ride comfort.
I have settled on 4 & 6 as a good compromise.



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Re: Yellow Speed Racing coilovers

Postby Mr nanotech » Tue Jul 26, 2011 3:14 pm

Out of curiousity, how low can these actually go?
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Re: Yellow Speed Racing coilovers

Postby david_syd_au » Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:02 pm

gslender wrote:Nice idea. The HSDs have a cam face, and you attach a collar button with thumb screw to secure it. Adapting this to a simple solid cable/rod system would be the go!!
G


I sent a query about YSR remote adjuster cables to MX5 Mania, and they advised yesterday that YSR are providing a set to trial in my car.

David & AJ were not sure if these are an existing part that YSR have for some other application and that they suggest will work for an MX5, or whether they are a newly designed part.

They should be here in a week or so, and I will report then on how they work.

If they seem ok, I will also ask MX5 Mania about what the supply arrangements will be for past and future YSR users.
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