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Postby Guran » Fri May 21, 2010 1:37 pm

Congratulations on your massively improved PB! :mrgreen: Your NA8 sounds great!

Going quicker is mainly about improving your confidence with letting the car skate around in the corners. Aim for more tyre squeal to start with, then focus on adjusting things to reduce the tyre squeal. You will have more spins as you learn where the limits are, but it's all about improving your skills. The general idea is to maximise every corner radius, which maximises the speed you can carry through them, and hence shaves your lap time.

You could try building up your entry speed for turn 2 and use all of the track on exit. In turn 3, try starting from further to the right, putting your right wheels onto the concrete edging and turning in as soon as the first section runs out (where the side road goes off) - this sets up the car with some oversteer and points at the apex, allowing you to get further to the left for turn 4 entry. Dab the brakes for turn 4, then turn in and get on the throttle earlier and run right up to the top of the circuit on exit. Turn 5 is quickest if you just lift the throttle (no braking), turn in, the rear will throw out and point you at the apex, but then the oversteer is arrested by the road camber and you'll four-wheel drift to the exit of the corner. Turn 6 should be flat (you're lifting), and don't fight the understeer if it shows - let the car drift out to towards turn 7 (also flat). You can also put your right wheel on the turn 6 ripple strip along the apex and since it's a little lower than the tarmac, it locks you into the corner. Turn 8 just focus on hitting the apex, and then aim to touch near the exit road that goes off to the right of the fishhook. Turn 9 should be flat (you're lifting) and let the car drift right to the outside of the corner exit. Turn 10 turn in from the far left when you run out of road (you were a bit early), apex is right at the end of the ripple strip and you can safely clip it, flat throttle and run right out to the edge of the exit ripple strip. Braking looked to be a little early for turns 2, 8 and 10.

BTW, don't try to do ALL of this at once. You'll probably get lost and frustrated. I reckon it's best to concentrate on two or three key corners to start with. I'd suggest you should focus on turns 3, 6 and 9 first because they'll give you quick rewards (just as Regie said). Then move onto turns 2 and 10. Hope this helps.
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Postby Regie » Fri May 21, 2010 1:41 pm

well said! :)
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Postby broady » Fri May 21, 2010 1:43 pm

Bloody hell Bryan, thanks a million...!

You've said everything I was thinking and more, I think I just need to strengthen my balls to do all of that :D Gonna have to watch some more of your videos... see how the pros do it. :P

Can't wait to get back out there... God damn! I hate that the club days all seem to have landed on Mondays.
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Postby Guran » Fri May 21, 2010 2:36 pm

No worries Chris. Just hope it helps you.

I'm by no means a "pro" at trackdays. I still feel like a newbie at the Supersprints :lol: . Only been doing trackdays regularly since Feb 2009. I've got heaps to learn! And it helps that my NA6 was bought specifically for having fun at the track, and is not a daily driver. I don't mind so much about pushing the limits and potentially breaking things.

Have you thought about coming to a Supersprint? The next one is on Saturday 5th June at Wakefield Park, and then there's another on Sunday 20th June at the same track. You won't get as many laps as at the club days, but they're a good option for weekends. And you get to see lots of serious track cars.
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Postby jules » Fri May 21, 2010 2:39 pm

Nice post reply Brian!

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Postby broady » Fri May 21, 2010 4:00 pm

An interesting find, from miata.net:

The unique Montego blue is achieved by gold flakes in a translucent blue paint. That is why it turns green in the sun. I have heard that there are different hues.
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Postby broady » Fri May 21, 2010 4:07 pm

Guran wrote:Have you thought about coming to a Supersprint? The next one is on Saturday 5th June at Wakefield Park, and then there's another on Sunday 20th June at the same track. You won't get as many laps as at the club days, but they're a good option for weekends. And you get to see lots of serious track cars.

Have thought about it, but yeah just wasn't sure about track time. Maybe after I've had some more practice! What is the atmosphere like?

Probably got about 50 laps in yesterday, and that was with a LOT of cars, so pretty good value I reckon. Though it will only be after July until I can have weekdays free, so hopefully will go to a few more SOTS days.
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Postby Charlie Brown » Fri May 21, 2010 5:30 pm

Just looked at your Wakefield clip and agree with everything Brian has said.

Well done with your new PB but there’s 3 seconds easily that can be shaved off using Brian’s recommendations and you don’t need those bigger balls.

I don’t know if it’s just the clip but you don’t sound like you’re getting to the redline anywhere. :?:

Turn 3 is flat out. Don’t back off. Start your entry with the right wheels over onto the old track surface, apex late.

Turns 6 to 7 you should be carrying third, foot flat to the floor, all the way to the fish hook. In a 5 speed you shouldn’t hit the rev limiter; I do in the 6 speed.

Turn 9 is flat out. Use ALL the road.

Turn 10 you’re braking 40 metres to early. Go past the 100 metre mark to 90 metres and then jump on them HARD.

Generally you need to work on braking later, getting onto the throttle earlier and using all of the road. ie wide entry, hit the apex, wide exit.

I’m down at Wakefield on the 21st June, so if you want to go out at lunch time for a lesson let me know.

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Postby broady » Fri May 21, 2010 5:41 pm

Just about everywhere I'm changing is at redline (7k rpm) except after turn 7 where I short changed at about 6k rpm (I shouldn't, I know :S). Must just be the video, the inbuilt mic on the iPhone isn't too good.

Thanks for the advice. I don't think I can make it on the 21st, being a Monday but will definitely have to take you up on that offer another time.

Great to hear there's another 3 seconds... Hopefully I can tackle 1 or 2 of those 3 seconds the next time I go out. Will have video again! :D
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Postby Jeo » Fri May 21, 2010 5:54 pm

Brian + Phil
It's responses like this that show you just how much this forum rocks.

Keep it up Broady :)

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Postby broady » Fri May 21, 2010 6:41 pm

Yeah Joe! Thanks again Bryan & Phil!

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Postby Guran » Fri May 21, 2010 7:13 pm

Well said Phil! Only one more comment ...

Charlie Brown wrote:Turn 3 is flat out. Don’t back off.

Not sure what tyres you're running Chris, but I find that on Adrenalins, I cannot take turn 3 without a lift just before turning in. This puts weight onto the front to assist turn-in, but also knocks about 7-8km/hr off the entry speed. The quickest I've been through turn 3 is with a minimum corner speed of 113km/hr (via GPS), and even then it put me too far to the right for turn 4. I reckon 110-111km/hr is about optimum on Adrenalins (it's a fine line!). On R specs you'd be able to take turn 3 flat out, no problem.
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Postby hamx5ter » Fri May 21, 2010 8:03 pm

Awesome posts guran and charlie brown!

Dammit, all this excellent advice is making me hang out for a track-day!

Can't do weekdays though :( too much stress with the missed calls and flood of emails.
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Postby sliq » Fri May 21, 2010 8:16 pm

i agree with jeo. very thorough and focused responses by guran and charlie brown. good work guys. and good luck broad improving those times. blow them nb's away :P
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Postby hamx5ter » Fri May 21, 2010 8:36 pm

sliq wrote:i agree with jeo. very thorough and focused responses by guran and charlie brown. good work guys. and good luck broad improving those times. blow them nb's away :P


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