anyone converted their NA to twin carb?

Engines, Transmissions & Final Drive questions and answers

Moderators: timk, Stu, zombie, Andrew, The American, Lokiel, -alex, miata, StanTheMan, greenMachine, ManiacLachy, Daffy

User avatar
garettb16
Fast Driver
Posts: 149
Joined: Tue Sep 04, 2007 2:31 pm
Vehicle: ND - 2 GT
Location: Melb

anyone converted their NA to twin carb?

Postby garettb16 » Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:28 pm

hi Guys

does anyone have any info on converting the NA6 to take side draft carbs (ie. solex or weber)
there is plenty of people in japan doing it as i think its an easier way to have quad throttles.

many jap engine bay pics have a twin weber setup.
just wondered if there would be gains or just a wank factor.

User avatar
bruce
Speed Racer
Posts: 7708
Joined: Fri Apr 25, 2003 11:00 am
Vehicle: NA8 - Turbo
Location: Victoria
Contact:

anyone converted their NA to twin carb?

Postby bruce » Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:30 pm

It would not be legal.
I can't see carbs out performing fuel injection.

User avatar
Jeo
Speed Racer
Posts: 3648
Joined: Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:33 am
Vehicle: NB8B
Location: Canberra

anyone converted their NA to twin carb?

Postby Jeo » Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:54 pm

Almost certainly for wank value I believe.

WASP
Fast Driver
Posts: 209
Joined: Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:24 am
Vehicle: NB SE
Location: Burleigh

anyone converted their NA to twin carb?

Postby WASP » Tue Feb 09, 2010 5:08 pm

Why not try 4 SU carbies

User avatar
bruce
Speed Racer
Posts: 7708
Joined: Fri Apr 25, 2003 11:00 am
Vehicle: NA8 - Turbo
Location: Victoria
Contact:

anyone converted their NA to twin carb?

Postby bruce » Tue Feb 09, 2010 5:17 pm

WASP wrote:Why not try 4 SU carbies


Can you imagine the expense of setting it up, and then trying to tune the carbies?

Mr Morlock
Speed Racer
Posts: 6444
Joined: Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:40 am
Vehicle: NB8B
Location: Melbourne

anyone converted their NA to twin carb?

Postby Mr Morlock » Tue Feb 09, 2010 5:42 pm

The answer is pretty simple- carbies are a relic of the past. Would you ditch the discs and replace with drums - it is just a retrograde step.

User avatar
Steampunk
Speed Racer
Posts: 4670
Joined: Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:16 am
Vehicle: NA6
Location: Southside of Breeze-bane

anyone converted their NA to twin carb?

Postby Steampunk » Tue Feb 09, 2010 6:38 pm

what's a carbie? :P

Garrettb16, do you mean carbie manifolds less the actual carburetor interior bits? (jets, float, etc). In other words, just the have them for the individual throttle butterflies?
If so, then I wouldn't think its the cheapest way for an IRTB setup.

AFAIK, large capacity motorbike throttle bodies (1,000cc Suzuki GSX-R for example) and a custom manifold is the cheapest option if you are very handy with cutting and welding tools.

You could always go down the AE101 or AE111 (4A-GE) "4-throttle" setup with a custom manifold.

Check with MX5Plus, they have throttles with a manifold for an NA8.

Im assuming you know what the guys over the US have done?

IF you are reverting back to actual carburation..... Hmmmm.... I can't see any benefits to this, more so, it's extra work cause I can only imagine the hassles you would have with the computer, fuel pump, etc etc.
Image

User avatar
garettb16
Fast Driver
Posts: 149
Joined: Tue Sep 04, 2007 2:31 pm
Vehicle: ND - 2 GT
Location: Melb

anyone converted their NA to twin carb?

Postby garettb16 » Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:09 pm

I'm not even considering it, pretty sure it would only be for wank/ noise

just seems very popular in japan, kits can be bought to bolt on

User avatar
Okibi
Speed Racer
Posts: 10901
Joined: Thu Aug 21, 2003 11:00 am
Vehicle: NB SE
Location: Perth, Western Australia
Contact:

anyone converted their NA to twin carb?

Postby Okibi » Wed Feb 10, 2010 1:35 am

Lots of Jap race cars with twin carbies, I think it's to fit within a particular category rather than "wank" factor.
If you had access to a car like this, would you take it back right away? Neither would I.

User avatar
StanTheMan
Forum legend
Posts: 6824
Joined: Thu Apr 24, 2003 11:00 am
Vehicle: NA6
Location: Balgowlah

anyone converted their NA to twin carb?

Postby StanTheMan » Wed Feb 10, 2010 6:56 am

for a road car there is no point for carbies.
fule injection is just a lot more adaptable for a huge amount of diffenernt situations. Thats why its more economical

for race cars the carbies can be tuned more powerfull than fuel injection for a particular rev range say betweeen 6000 & 7000 rpm. It will run crap any where else.
Satans Ride called F33nix the resurrected NA6

User avatar
jerrah
Racing Driver
Posts: 724
Joined: Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:54 am
Vehicle: NA6
Location: Brisbane

anyone converted their NA to twin carb?

Postby jerrah » Wed Feb 10, 2010 10:55 am

I'm at a loss to understand why a fuel injected car couldn't be tuned for the same performance as a carb car? You have control over the mapping of the air/fuel/spark etc with an aftermarket ECU. I can't imagine you could be more precise than that.
1991 MX5

User avatar
greenMachine
Forum Guru
Posts: 4054
Joined: Thu Apr 24, 2003 11:00 am
Vehicle: NB SE
Location: Sports car paradise - Canberra
Contact:

anyone converted their NA to twin carb?

Postby greenMachine » Wed Feb 10, 2010 3:30 pm

jerrah wrote:I'm at a loss to understand why a fuel injected car couldn't be tuned for the same performance as a carb car? You have control over the mapping of the air/fuel/spark etc with an aftermarket ECU. I can't imagine you could be more precise than that.


Me too.

On a like-for-like basis (ie IRTB on injection, and 2x properly sized and set up Webers), if the injection can't produce more power and better/similar drieability, it's time to find a new tuner :wink:

If you are comparing the carbies to a stock set up, you may as well compare forced induction with atmo induction, for all the good the comparison is.

:mrgreen:
I never met a horsepower I didn't like (thanks bwob)

Build thread

NB SE - gone to the dark side (and loving it 8) )

Adam_NAclubman
Racing Driver
Posts: 1418
Joined: Wed Jan 25, 2006 11:39 pm
Vehicle: NA8 - Turbo
Location: Adelaide, Australia
Contact:

anyone converted their NA to twin carb?

Postby Adam_NAclubman » Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:08 pm

Twin Webers would be awesome, it would sound and smell like a proper sports car

User avatar
greenMachine
Forum Guru
Posts: 4054
Joined: Thu Apr 24, 2003 11:00 am
Vehicle: NB SE
Location: Sports car paradise - Canberra
Contact:

anyone converted their NA to twin carb?

Postby greenMachine » Wed Feb 10, 2010 8:57 pm

Adam_NAclubman wrote:Twin Webers would be awesome, it would sound and smell like a proper sports car


Smell? :lol: Just what are you ingesting?

And IRTBs wouldn't? :roll:

:mrgreen:
I never met a horsepower I didn't like (thanks bwob)

Build thread

NB SE - gone to the dark side (and loving it 8) )

User avatar
green_comet
Car Detailing Guru
Posts: 1848
Joined: Tue May 24, 2005 1:41 am
Vehicle: NA8
Location: Melbourne

anyone converted their NA to twin carb?

Postby green_comet » Thu Feb 11, 2010 11:47 am

You would love driving it for 10min, then you would have to get it tuned again. :?

Irtb's are the way to go, gives you the same noise, and once they are setup you dont have to touch them again.


Return to “MX5 Engines, Transmission & Final Drive”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 151 guests