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Renesis NC Track Car - In the Build - Updated 12 Oct 2009

Postby orx626 » Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:51 pm

Today was indeed a "Milestone" for the Renesis NC project with the installation of the supercharger kit getting underway. :mrgreen:

First up this morning was the removal of unnecessary components and cleaning of the engine in anticipation of the supercharger installation. The engine is from a FY 2005 JDM RX-8 and has 33,000km on it. It has been in storage for almost 12 months so it was pretty dusty. A quick hit with citrus cleaner and a pressure washer was exactly what was required as I couldn't let the engine detract from the awesomeness that was about to be bolted to it. 8)

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Upper section of inlet manifold including throttle body removed.

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Removal of the oil filler neck and vacuum reservoir assembly. The vacuum reservoir and components will be reinstated at a later date.

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After all the orifices were suitably protected the engine got washed and came up looking like it was on the Mazda production line awaiting fitment.

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Once dried, the gearbox was removed from the engine and placed upon the workbench. The supercharger mounting plate utilises a the alternator mounting bolts and most of the water pump bolts to lock it in position. So these standard fasteners (bolts and studs) were removed.

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The first item of the supercharger kit to be installed was the two piece plenum and inlet tube. Here is the lower section of plenum with it's 'O'-rings fitted.

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It mates with the surfaces as shown in the next photo.

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With the lower section of plenum bolted in place you can really appreciate the dimensional accuracy of the kit as the port matching was perfect.

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This is the upper section of plenum awaiting its 'O'-ring to be installed.

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Then things got exciting and happened really quickly and I forgot to take stage photos! :oops: Here is the belt/tensioner arrangement for the supercharger drive.

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The factory ignition coils and bracket are retained and relocated further outboard by way of a bracket and two spacers.

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The supercharger kit uses a layshaft to transfer the drive rotation from the front belt drive arrangement to the internal gearset at the rear of the compressor. Lubrication is provided via an oil line tapping from the oil filter outlet to the sealed supercharger drive gearset and returns to the sump via an oil filler neck adaptor. The supply line is the small gauge stainless wire braided hose. The return line is not shown.

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I'll let the next group of photos speak for themselves. 8)

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I'm still to sit down and write-up a list of items that need to be addressed before the engine can head off to the engine dyno to be tuned. So I'm not sure when it will be despatched. Two obvious items that need to be designed and manufactured are the oil filter pedestal and the oil filler neck. The necessity to replace the oil filter pedestal is only an issue on this kit as the supercharger is larger than the supercharger being used on the road-going RX-8 kits.

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Postby Okibi » Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:07 am

Looks stunning Danny. :mrgreen:
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Postby Old Dude » Sun Oct 18, 2009 12:00 pm

I Want one........ :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Postby Hammer » Sun Oct 18, 2009 5:51 pm

I'm lovin' it. :mrgreen:
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Postby mr_rotary » Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:44 am

Very nice bit of kit there and awesome port matching! Can't wait to hear it up and running.
(Another Renesis on the rack spotted in a photo?)

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Postby orx626 » Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:14 am

mr_rotary wrote:Another Renesis on the rack spotted in a photo?


Well spotted! :mrgreen:

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Postby Okibi » Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:24 pm

This rotary is just to test fit the kit, the one on the shelf is his super secret race renesis with the forged pistons and high lift cams. :mrgreen: :lol:
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Postby Mokesta » Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:46 pm

Did you buy one kit for the race car and one for the daily?

One of the photos shows the engine side one, the allow housings appear to have un-drilled ports between the cast iron housing's exhaust ports. Is this a legacy of earlier 13B designs? Are you going to need 5 exhaust ports at some stage to handle the air flow this thing can do? :idea:

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Postby RG.net » Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:52 pm

two words,

F*cking awsome!
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Postby orx626 » Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:09 pm

Okibi wrote:This rotary is just to test fit the kit, the one on the shelf is his super secret race renesis with the forged pistons and high lift cams. :mrgreen: :lol:
Dave!!! :P :lol:


Mokesta wrote:Did you buy one kit for the race car and one for the daily?


Yes. My automotive business is now specialising in the servicing and maintenance of RX-8's. So we will be offering an installation service (Drive In/Drive Out) for the supercharger kits. My RX-8 will be the get the first production kit. From it we will determine a fixed pricing schedule for the installation of the supercharger kit.

Mokesta wrote:One of the photos shows the engine side one, the allow housings appear to have un-drilled ports between the cast iron housing's exhaust ports. Is this a legacy of earlier 13B designs?


Yes, the basic casting molds are the same as the earlier housing designs....just with the peripheral exhaust port core omitted.


Mokesta wrote:Are you going to need 5 exhaust ports at some stage to handle the air flow this thing can do? :idea:


Actually, the fact that the apex seals are fully supported throughout the perimeter of the rotor housing is something that I believe to be a huge step forward over the previous rotary designs. You can have a situation with this design where the apex seals may be fractured and the engine will still function without destroying other components. This is not possible with peripheral exhaust ports. The result is normally a stuffed housing and rotor. Flow is still pretty darn good with the multi-side exhaust ports (13B-MSP).


Mokesta wrote:I hope you've got some sort of tyre sponsorship worked out...
:twisted:

MXHEVN wrote:two words,

F*cking awesome!


Cheers mate! :D

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Postby Mokesta » Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:57 pm

OMG :shock: You DID buy two!! I was joking :!:

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Postby love5 » Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:04 pm

Going to make the ride to the train station a lot more fun!! :D
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Renesis NC Track Car - In the Build - Updated 12 Oct 2009

Postby orx626 » Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:00 pm

orx626 wrote:Two obvious items that need to be designed and manufactured are the oil filter pedestal and the oil filler neck. The necessity to replace the oil filter pedestal is only an issue on this kit as the supercharger is larger than the supercharger being used on the road-going RX-8 kits.


Hi all, time for a quick update....the oil filter pedestal/block has been designed (refer below solidworks images)and sent out for machining. The block has provision for the the oil supply from the oil cooler and remote filter, an oil temperature sender, an oil pressure sender, and the supercharger oil supply line. It replaces the standard oil filter pedestal shown here.

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The custom oil filler neck is currently a WIP :D .


As mentioned previously, I'm also installing the road version of this kit on my RX-8. Prior to doing this I wanted to check the health of the 13B as it is nearing the 100,000km milestone. There's no point sticking 10 psi in it if it's needing some TLC :wink: . I recently acquired for work the current special service tool that Australian Mazda Dealers are using to measure rotary engine compression. The fact that there are effectively three combustion chambers being ignited per leading and trailing spark plugs means that a traditional compression testing tool will only measure the highest compression number of the three combustion chambers. The tool is basically a pressure sender that has been calibrated to work in a 0 - 200 psi range and works with datalogging software that you just install on any PC/laptop.

Well after 98,200 km the 13B MSP in my RX-8 yielded the following results (the below graph is for the front rotor):

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Front Rotor : 110.9 psi, 109.7 psi & 116.7 psi @ a cranking speed of 216 rpm

Rear Rotor : 110.7 psi, 115.0 psi & 114.9 psi @ a cranking speed of 219 rpm

To put this in perspective, Mazda advises that a brand new 13B MSP should have a standard compression reading of 120 psi at a cranking speed of 250 rpm, and the minimum as 98.6 psi also at 250 rpm. Standard difference in chambers should be within 21.8 psi, and the difference between rotors within 14.5 psi. If your cranking speed during the test is close to 250 rpm, you can use the readings as recorded. However, if engine cranking speed deviates significantly from the Mazda criteria, you may want to proceed with normalisation of the recorded readings. Essentially, slower engine cranking RPM during the test will result in readings lower than the Mazda standard. I haven't normalised the data...but all that's going to show is an increase the compression readings!!! :mrgreen: In summary, after almost 100,000km the engine is showing excellent health and will respond favourably to a bit of forced induction :twisted: .

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Renesis NC Track Car - In the Build - Updated 18 Nov 2009

Postby Okibi » Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:19 pm

Given the engine is still very healthy, does it drink much oil?
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