Style bar VS Roll bar

greenMachine · Postby **greenMachine** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 9:43 pm

marcusus wrote:
sliq wrote:hrmm, i've always been worried with flipping my mx5 if i go down to wakefield.

how often does that occur?

Incredibly unlikely. I usually have the most spectacular off's of the day (if not, at least top 3 ) when I go down and I haven't come close to rolling it.

It can definitely happen if you really come off at a weird angle and get really unlucky with the ground, but in all the club track days I've been too, the worst I've seen on a '5 is just a new layer of dust, or perhaps a load of mud caught in certain bits of the car.

Yes.

Ask Ian about it some time. Turn 2 OP.

Try entering a gravel trap sideways ...

See above.

:mrgreen:

StanTheMan · Postby **StanTheMan** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 9:57 pm

greenMachine wrote:There was a thread here some years ago (old board?), and my memory says that it involved a (club?) run up the far north coast, MX5 hit a slippery patch (damp road, overhanging trees, oil from trees on road etc), car slid into roadside embankment and flipped. Can't remember if it had a bar or not.

Message: it can happen, it has happened, and it will happen again.

If you are talking about Flippa.....that wasn't a club run.It was a privately organised along Putty road. No Roll bar was fitted. The chap was extreemly lucky. His head was where the ditch was. the pasenger(if he had one) would have probably lost his/her head in the process.

marcusus · Postby **marcusus** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 10:47 pm

greenMachine wrote:Yes.

Ask Ian about it some time. Turn 2 OP.

Try entering a gravel trap sideways ...

See above.

Entering the gravel trap sideways is definitely no fun. It's no fun entering it straight and ending up sideways either :oops:

As mentioned, it's definitely possible, but it requires a huge amount of errors on the drivers part, plus a whole bunch of environmental conditions that need to be just right (or rather wrong) that would cause a flip at Wakefield. So I think anyway... Correct me if I'm wrong though.

manga_blue · Postby **manga_blue** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 11:04 pm

Rolling is always a good possibility at the faster circuits - PI and Bathurst have lots of exciting opportunities.

As far as I'm concerned the bigger risk is what might hit you on the public roads. Yesterday I was waiting to turn right. The FWD facing me, also waiting to turn right, was so high I was able to watch for a gap in the oncoming traffic through his wheels. I couldn't help thinking what would happen to me in a collision with that thing. Bigdog knows very well that a proper rollbar with back stays can keep big nasties out of the cabin.

greenMachine · Postby **greenMachine** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:26 am

StanTheMan wrote:
greenMachine wrote:There was a thread here some years ago (old board?), and my memory says that it involved a (club?) run up the far north coast, MX5 hit a slippery patch (damp road, overhanging trees, oil from trees on road etc), car slid into roadside embankment and flipped. Can't remember if it had a bar or not.

Message: it can happen, it has happened, and it will happen again.

If you are talking about Flippa.....that wasn't a club run.It was a privately organised along Putty road. No Roll bar was fitted. The chap was extreemly lucky. His head was where the ditch was. the pasenger(if he had one) would have probably lost his/her head in the process.

Thanks Stan.

My memory is playing tricks again - I would have sworn that it was FNC NSW, but your second-last sentance is the part that stuck in my memory.

:mrgreen:

StanTheMan · Postby **StanTheMan** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:51 am

well....flippa on Putty was one incident.....I don't know of any involving club runs.
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sliq · Postby **sliq** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:26 am

was flippa that flipped SP?

bruce · Postby **bruce** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:58 am

No, that SP fell into a creek.

Guess what - in both instances the occupants survived with neither a bar. So, are they that necessary?

hks_kansei · Postby **hks_kansei** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:19 pm

bruce wrote:Guess what - in both instances the occupants survived with neither a bar. So, are they that necessary?

yes, both survived, but crashes are about uncertainty!

it's about lowering the risk.

you can fall off a motorcycle and survive, but that doesnt mean you would ride around without a helmet on. while It doesnt eliminate the risk of injury/death, it substantially reduces it.

bruce · Postby **bruce** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:49 pm

hks_kansei wrote:it's about lowering the risk.

If you really want to lower your risk, we would all be driving huge 4wds. They may roll over, but if we hit someone, they'd come off 2nd best.

sliq · Postby **sliq** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:58 pm

bruce wrote:If you really want to lower your risk, we would all be driving huge 4wds. They may roll over, but if we hit someone, they'd come off 2nd best.

but then there would be no purpose of owning mx5's... i'm sure most owners acknowledge the risk but few do anything to minimise it..

Old Dude · Postby **Old Dude** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 1:22 pm

Really its an individual thing, if someone feels it will make the car safer, they will probably fit one, if they don't they probably won't

I must say since I fitted my roll bar it has eliminated the scuttle shake, and the TB across the seat belt towers also improves side impact protection, so on those points alone, its an major improvment over the standard set up.

As Benny said it can happen at low speeds and I think once you have been in a rolled car, and saw how easy it happened, you are more likely to put one in.

Cheers
Old Dude

kitkat · Postby **kitkat** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:09 pm

greenMachine wrote:
StanTheMan wrote:
greenMachine wrote:There was a thread here some years ago (old board?), and my memory says that it involved a (club?) run up the far north coast, MX5 hit a slippery patch (damp road, overhanging trees, oil from trees on road etc), car slid into roadside embankment and flipped. Can't remember if it had a bar or not.

Message: it can happen, it has happened, and it will happen again.

If you are talking about Flippa.....that wasn't a club run.It was a privately organised along Putty road. No Roll bar was fitted. The chap was extreemly lucky. His head was where the ditch was. the pasenger(if he had one) would have probably lost his/her head in the process.

Thanks Stan.

My memory is playing tricks again - I would have sworn that it was FNC NSW, but your second-last sentance is the part that stuck in my memory.

I believe your talking about a silver SP that flipped just south of the QLD border... it landed upside down in a ditch... the owner now has a sooty white SP.

There was also a green nb that landed upside down in a creek whilst trying to cross over a bridge... luckily his roof was down. That was a qld owner travelling down south somewhere.

zawrilla · Postby **zawrilla** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:39 pm

bruce wrote:
hks_kansei wrote:it's about lowering the risk.

If you really want to lower your risk, we would all be driving huge 4wds. They may roll over, but if we hit someone, they'd come off 2nd best.

But then if we were all driving them, it would just negate the benefit of driving it in the first place. So what we really should do..is just get everyone to drive MX5s...then it would be a lot safer and a lot more fun!

greenMachine · Postby **greenMachine** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 3:45 pm

kitkat wrote:
I believe your talking about a silver SP that flipped just south of the QLD border... it landed upside down in a ditch... the owner now has a sooty white SP.

There was also a green nb that landed upside down in a creek whilst trying to cross over a bridge... luckily his roof was down. That was a qld owner travelling down south somewhere.

Jackpot!

I thought I remembered it was an SP, but wasn't so sure about that bit.

Thanks Kitkat

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