Is a 30% increase in power possible with CAI and an Exhaust?

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Is a 30% increase in power possible with CAI and an Exhaust?

Postby Novice1 » Thu Oct 02, 2008 3:22 pm

Just out of interest re tighe cams. I did speak to them and as IRED5 states they did seem uninterested.

I, did however buy a set of tighe 805 cams with cam gears from gary stewart. $1,000 fitted. Very happy with them.

And before someone asks me duration, lift? No idea.
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Postby RG.net » Thu Oct 02, 2008 3:23 pm

1red5 wrote:
pcmx5 wrote:I thought you could have your cams done to 805 spec for $500 or buy new bullets for $1000


correct.
But when I spoke to someone at Tighe, they made me feel like I was asking them to clean my toilet for me. "Disinterested" is the word I'm looking for.

$500 for them to build-up standard cams with welds ..... hmmmm.... no thanks.


i know what you mean, i was emailing them for weeks and they just gave me simple 1 sentence answers. not very perfessional in my opinion, ended up taking a week to get what i wanted out of them, i'm glad i wasn't the one that originally purchased the cams from them.
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Postby RG.net » Thu Oct 02, 2008 3:28 pm

pcmx5 wrote:Obviously you have done your homework, wasn't trying to denigrate the SH cams but occasionally people go ahead and buy things for almost new price so was just a heads up.

I will be most interested to hear your outcomes, should be really good because mine is just a mild set up well(I think) tuned

I started off with a lean running standard engine and put a Malpassi fuel reulator on and it made little difference so I was partially trying to correct that issue with the MIcrotechs adjustability ,and then thought if I am going to get a dynotune why not try the Tighe cams which had good reviews.

I think I will fit a new fuel pump and have been toying with replacing the XForce extractors with the set of Racing Beat 4:1's that I have so will have to do that and the pump before a retune.I have a bit of a fear that I might do all that and go backwards in terms of drivability!!!

Good luck with your project please keep posting as you go along.

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yeah, i do ALOT of research before i purchase something, i do know what you mean though and no offence taken in any way. i think my setup is a little on the extreme side, but i just want to do it first, do it right and get maximum use out of the head. i'm intrested to hear if you do fit the rb 4-1's as that is what i plan on running, according to the reviews they are just as good as a 4-2-1 in terms of driveability but make more top end power.

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Postby FMS01 » Thu Oct 02, 2008 4:01 pm

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i'm intrested to hear if you do fit the rb 4-1's as that is what i plan on running, according to the reviews they are just as good as a 4-2-1 in terms of driveability but make more top end power.

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We have 4-2-1 on our race engine (2F BP), we have a set of 4-1 (not sure what brand they are) which make more HP up top (3 FWhp more in the last 700RPM) but there's a BIG torque dip around 4000RPM. Area under the curve is bigger for our engine with the 4-2-1's.

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Postby RG.net » Thu Oct 02, 2008 4:27 pm

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i'm intrested to hear if you do fit the rb 4-1's as that is what i plan on running, according to the reviews they are just as good as a 4-2-1 in terms of driveability but make more top end power.

[/quote]

We have 4-2-1 on our race engine (2F BP), we have a set of 4-1 (not sure what brand they are) which make more HP up top (3 FWhp more in the last 700RPM) but there's a BIG torque dip around 4000RPM. Area under the curve is bigger for our engine with the 4-2-1's.

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as stated, the rb 4-1 was designed to surpass their previous 4-2-1 setup, they hold the midrange of a conventional 4-2-1 and have more top end too. maybe you could find out the brand of those 4-1's you have, and what brand your 4-2-1's are.
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Postby Steampunk » Thu Oct 02, 2008 5:00 pm

I have Apexi 4-1 with the primary pipes meeting just before where 4-2-1 would have their secondaries meeting to join into tertiaries. Does that make sense? :roll:

Noticeable lack of low-end torque up till 2,500RPM; but after that it revs like a 4-2-1 system, and feels freer than a 4-2-1 after 5,500RPM or so.

Dynoed not long ago and there doesn't seem to be any substantial torque dip down low.

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Postby Rotary » Thu Oct 02, 2008 5:49 pm

Nice Dyno graph Peter, love the Torque peak between 6k-6.5k and 86% of peak torque still available at 7500rpm, must feel like it want's to go well beyond 8K.
It's interesting how there is a peak section around 4k-4.5k then another stronger peak later on, almost like a vtec, and more so than a VICS system. of the top of my head na8 doesn't have a variable intake chamber system Does it? and are you still running the NA8 heads and Intake?

I thought there would be plently left to get in your 1/4 time, was that Air Temp or Track Temp :?: either way it looked like a warm track with a much improvable 60ft time, so with grippy tyres 60f- 2.0 and cooler weather should be edging a 14s pass.
It would be interesting now with the 6speed i think that alone will help with the 60ft's and could dip below a 2.0 with grippy tyres and the LSD.
But i Think your setup is calling for a Supercharger :) , it would work superbly with the Head and exhaust flows you have going

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Postby Rotary » Thu Oct 02, 2008 6:07 pm

MXHEVN wrote:
pcmx5

what is this crystal mod you speak of? i would like my n/a set up to run @ 8000rpm, and the greddy emanage is unable to do this.



won't go beyond 7350rpm until you disable the Immobiliser
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Postby RG.net » Thu Oct 02, 2008 6:40 pm

Rotary wrote:
MXHEVN wrote:
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what is this crystal mod you speak of? i would like my n/a set up to run @ 8000rpm, and the greddy emanage is unable to do this.



won't go beyond 7350rpm until you disable the Immobiliser
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wha, hows that work? there was a writeup about this sometime ago wasnt there? do you happen to have any links etc?
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Postby Fatty » Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:22 pm

hevn, do a search on "crystal" in the engines section and you should find what you are looking for. look for a thread with posts by stantheman and matty.

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Postby RG.net » Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:34 pm

Fatty wrote:hevn, do a search on "crystal" in the engines section and you should find what you are looking for. look for a thread with posts by stantheman and matty.


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Postby pcmx5 » Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:13 am

[quote="? and are you still running the NA8 heads and Intake?

I thought there would be plently left to get in your 1/4 time, was that Air Temp or Track Temp :?: either way it looked like a warm track with a much improvable 60ft time, so with grippy tyres 60f- 2.0 and cooler weather should be edging a 14s pass.
Matt[/quote]

Still stock NA heads etc.; that was air temp, don't have track temp..My first run was the fastest but I did have a better 60ft time on another run and then hit 5th instead of 3rd!!!

.Supercharger is just too much cost etc for me, I really don't use the power I have now that often. probably more interested in drivability and reasonable power.

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Postby Rotary » Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:52 am

Gotta love those tight gates, Exactly what I did last time out, final run with the temp down to 8'C primed to do my quickest run with a best launch of 2.17, i hit between 3rd n 5th, then ended up in 5th :lol: no margin for error in dragracing especially when you get 3 runs in 3 hours.
Like to hear how you go with the 6speed if you get out there again
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