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Postby rjastra2 » Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:38 pm

Dont bilstein, koni etc make matched spring/shock sets for the mx5?

Actually.. Koni makes 3 kits depending on your needs. Though only one is a coilover.
Bilstein makes 3 variations as well (though they seem pricey)

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Postby marcusus » Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:51 pm

I didn't think Koni did a coilover? Bilstein do it though. When I was looking, I was considering PSS's and PSS9's. Benny swears by his PSS9's, and I don't doubt their effectiveness. However, the PSS9s are the top of the line Bilsteins and will set you back something ridiculous.

I think the PSS and Tein SS are on the same level, but I'm not sure what the price differences are (although I seem to recall them being in the same ball park, hence me thinking they're at about the same level), or indeed what the differences are between the SS and the PSS.

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Postby philz » Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:37 pm

Koni do make a coilover, but it's not readily available here, you can only get adjustable shocks.

And bilstein are up to $3000 which is mighty expensive.

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Postby marvis » Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:11 pm

Stance seem to be the go. The guys over in the states seem to love them.

Just dump it ^.^ cops won't look under your car to see lowest point 99% of the time (unless they are the ones that go to meets and defect people)

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Postby RG.net » Fri Sep 19, 2008 2:38 pm

as sliq stated earlier, i dont understand why you want to spend 2k to lower your car? by the sounds of it, you dont know what other abilities coilovers have other then lowering your ride height. you can get a matching shock and spring combo for less then 1k, (cheaper if you go 2nd hand, i picked up kyb's for $200 AND they also have knobs you can play with :roll: ) in my opinion, your wasting your money.
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Postby Sasso » Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:45 am

If you don't spend enough then the new suspension that you are going to get is going to be worse than stock equipment and that is just pointless. If you're gonna lower your car, do it so that you actually improve performance or at least maintain. Its like buying cheap 17's, yeah they're bigger and might look better to some but they're not going to be as good as stockies.

You want to spend 2k to lower your car because thats how much it costs to do it properly, otherwise there is compromise, and thats fine if you're OK with it, but most people aren't.

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Postby marcusus » Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:53 am

MXHEVN wrote:as sliq stated earlier, i dont understand why you want to spend 2k to lower your car? by the sounds of it, you dont know what other abilities coilovers have other then lowering your ride height. you can get a matching shock and spring combo for less then 1k, (cheaper if you go 2nd hand, i picked up kyb's for $200 AND they also have knobs you can play with :roll: ) in my opinion, your wasting your money.

Things work together in unison. When you buy separate products to perform a cohesive function, chances are they won't work as well. The "other abilities" you mention can only be pros for the car. Whereas if you do something on the cheap, things won't be matched, and you may end up making things worse. Of course the chances are reasonable that it won't be any worse, but if you're going to spend money, things should be improving, not maintaining the status quo. Otherwise what's the point of upgrading?

Besides, your name is only a re arrangement of the letters, so you should just get them to have the bragging rights of "yeah, I got shocks made with my name on them" :P

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Postby TieNN89 » Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:24 pm

Its gona be a very very long time before I buy anything LOL

Tein Super Streets $2,300 fitted

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Postby marcusus » Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:35 pm

AZNTieN wrote:Its gona be a very very long time before I buy anything LOL

Tein Super Streets $2,300 fitted

Worth the money. Do it once, do it right.

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Postby RG.net » Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:42 pm

marcusus wrote:
MXHEVN wrote:as sliq stated earlier, i dont understand why you want to spend 2k to lower your car? by the sounds of it, you dont know what other abilities coilovers have other then lowering your ride height. you can get a matching shock and spring combo for less then 1k, (cheaper if you go 2nd hand, i picked up kyb's for $200 AND they also have knobs you can play with :roll: ) in my opinion, your wasting your money.

Things work together in unison. When you buy separate products to perform a cohesive function, chances are they won't work as well. The "other abilities" you mention can only be pros for the car. Whereas if you do something on the cheap, things won't be matched, and you may end up making things worse. Of course the chances are reasonable that it won't be any worse, but if you're going to spend money, things should be improving, not maintaining the status quo. Otherwise what's the point of upgrading?

Besides, your name is only a re arrangement of the letters, so you should just get them to have the bragging rights of "yeah, I got shocks made with my name on them" :P


i'm not sure if you believe in reasearch or not? or maybe i have too much time on my hands to reasearch, basically tein SS are a package yeah? well basically with a matching shock and spring combo you want/need to figure out how stiff you want the spring rate, what spring rate the shock can handle to get it right.

Doing things cheap doesnt always mean its bad, whether its buying used or buying an item lower then another. With the logic of whats the point of upgrading, your going to need to spend ALOT of money in your sence to "Do it right" in your standards.

Tein SS arent an Entry coilover, and as i stated i dont believe that azntien needs such a coilover, he obviously doesnt know what other features it has other then height adjustment. If you want to stick to teins, why dont you just get the Tein basic? 949 racing sells them for $600, shipping give or take $200, installation give or take $200, $1000 and you have height adjustable coilovers installed, and if i didnt know what the SS did, i'd reasearch the hell out of it, even before i consider spending such a big amount of cash.
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Postby RG.net » Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:50 pm

Sasso wrote:If you don't spend enough then the new suspension that you are going to get is going to be worse than stock equipment and that is just pointless. If you're gonna lower your car, do it so that you actually improve performance or at least maintain. Its like buying cheap 17's, yeah they're bigger and might look better to some but they're not going to be as good as stockies.

You want to spend 2k to lower your car because thats how much it costs to do it properly, otherwise there is compromise, and thats fine if you're OK with it, but most people aren't.


mmm, i agree with not spending enough, but you dont need 2k to do it right. with the 17's that all depends on the owner, most people here think its suicide to do so, but some hate the small stockie look, i'm sure you have noticed that their isnt any fully sick people on this forum :)

i believe you dont need 2k to lower your car properly, JUST lowering your car and not have any other functions (maybe damping) you can get such a setup for under 1k. i couldnt care less if he wants to blow 2k on something he wont be using to its potential, its not my money. i'm just trying to give him some advice as ALL HE WANTS IS LOWERING.

ofcourse, when you put new shocks in your car they will feel so good. how many kms have your stock shocks done? if they had the same kms, i'm sure you would have such an OMG they are so good factor.
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Postby philz » Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:57 pm

That price is a rip.

I'm getting jap spec ones for $1300+ $200= $1500 all up.

for $2.3K installed you can get Tein FLEX + EDFC+ install.

I'm assuming you got quoted for Aussie Tein SS with uppermounts?

AZNTien does do autocross/motorkhana stuff, and the coilover suspension will benefit him.


as sliq stated earlier, i dont understand why you want to spend 2k to lower your car? by the sounds of it, you dont know what other abilities coilovers have other then lowering your ride height. you can get a matching shock and spring combo for less then 1k, (cheaper if you go 2nd hand, i picked up kyb's for $200 AND they also have knobs you can play with :roll: ) in my opinion, your wasting your money.


I don't understand why you spend money on your Automatic mx-5, obviously you have your reasons, and so does Tien, he wants to do it right the first time, and not worry about it 1-2 years later, when his shocks go bust :roll:

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Postby RG.net » Sat Sep 20, 2008 1:13 pm

philz wrote:That price is a rip.

I'm getting jap spec ones for $1300+ $200= $1500 all up.

for $2.3K installed you can get Tein FLEX + EDFC+ install.

I'm assuming you got quoted for Aussie Tein SS with uppermounts?

AZNTien does do autocross/motorkhana stuff, and the coilover suspension will benefit him.


as sliq stated earlier, i dont understand why you want to spend 2k to lower your car? by the sounds of it, you dont know what other abilities coilovers have other then lowering your ride height. you can get a matching shock and spring combo for less then 1k, (cheaper if you go 2nd hand, i picked up kyb's for $200 AND they also have knobs you can play with :roll: ) in my opinion, your wasting your money.


I don't understand why you spend money on your Automatic mx-5, obviously you have your reasons, and so does Tien, he wants to do it right the first time, and not worry about it 1-2 years later, when his shocks go bust :roll:



you havent been around long enough to understand about my mx-5. i think he is just going with the crowd. either way i dont give a ƒü¢k anymore.
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Postby AJ » Sat Sep 20, 2008 1:22 pm

let's keep it civil boys, Tien was merely asking a question, he doesn't require you guys to have a pillow fight over your own preferences.
Tien is a young guy who's looking to more experienced people to give him solid advice about the best options for his car, if spending a bit extra means he gets what he wants plus added benefits, so be it.
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Postby sliq » Sat Sep 20, 2008 1:26 pm

that's weird, i haven't heard of anyone busting their shocks just because they've put in some aftermarket springs.. even with king springs..... :?
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