sissor door Q

Steampunk · Postby **Steampunk** » Thu Aug 07, 2008 7:58 pm

mx52nv do you have any comments.... anything at all? :mrgreen:

Postby **mx52nv** » Thu Aug 07, 2008 9:06 pm

1red5 wrote:mx52nv do you have any comments.... anything at all?

Have I become a post whore?
or am I missing something?

bpt4w - try ebay

TieNN89 · Postby **TieNN89** » Thu Aug 07, 2008 11:01 pm

they look kool

but i wouldn't get them on my car

i don't want the WTF attention

Postby **mx52nv** » Thu Aug 07, 2008 11:57 pm

Hence why I sold the Sprints to get the Roadsters :mrgreen:

Cost almost double but so much easier to live with on a day to day basis.
And still has everything the Sprint offered (except FIA approval but all the motorsports events I was doing never required it).

But hey if you want scissors door - to each his own

Would definitely be one of the few in Australia if not the only one.

Alex · Postby **Alex** » Thu Aug 07, 2008 11:58 pm

I wouldn't recommend it, it's a real pain to do and you will forever be restricted to using the doors that way.
I have a friend who had it done and although it worked great it limits his doors to only opening a maximum of 30% in the normal direction, he took it to get some work done and the mechanic thought it was just stuck and gave it a pull, ended up with 2 bent panels, quarter panel and door.
Also the ever present legal issues, so if you ever get out with police watching you have to carefully slip through the smaller opening to avoid drawing attention to them (as they don't open all the way)

PUR157 · Postby **PUR157** » Thu Aug 07, 2008 11:59 pm

I dunno... somehow having a huge lump of metal where your body ends up while exitting the car seems a little counter intuitive to me... I'd imagine instead of doing some Olympic Gymnastics routine... you would now need to limbo out... :lol:

If it's that bad... just put the roof down and jump out... Dukes of Hazzard style...

If anyone ever did that while boarding my car though... I will stab them with a very rusty hammer... multiple times...

Alex · Postby **Alex** » Fri Aug 08, 2008 12:03 am

PUR157 wrote:If it's that bad... just put the roof down and jump out... Dukes of Hazzard style...
If anyone ever did that while boarding my car though... I will stab them with a very rusty hammer... multiple times...

Maybe you should try it sometime, easier than you would think, one hand on the rollbar, one on the windscreen pillar, a little jump and your done.
It's the running jump from behind the car that will do damage, especially when your feet hit the steering wheel

(not my car)

lowmiata · Postby **lowmiata** » Fri Aug 08, 2008 7:04 am

I'd struggle with the sparco's before putting in sissor doors in
There is lots of things you wouldn't find out till you actually got them

-as has been said before normally opens to only 30%

-door was never designed to rotate upwards so its extra stress on the chassis of the door

-lining the doors up becomes a bitch and you have to spend top dollar to get a kit out of the states

-I've never seen a kit fitted without the panels needing to be repainted

-they put extra stress on the mounts as while in the air they sway from side to side aprox 80-100mm

-I've known people that have done it for sheer novilty value but they have ended up going back to their original hinges

-in specificly an mx5 where the seal at the top of the window is paramount sicssor doors would make it harder to seal because of the adjustments needed to get the window and frame to seal against the soft top rubber

-I am not saying it would be impossible
-nor am i saying sicssor doors are not cool

You just need to make sure that the sicssor door thing is where you really want to go

factor in a kit costing over 2500 from the states
then probably another 1000 to get it fitted and panels cut up etc
and an extra 900-1000 for repainting the 1/4 panels once fitted

They arn't a cheap exercise!

Ryno.

Steampunk · Postby **Steampunk** » Fri Aug 08, 2008 9:10 am

mx52nv wrote:
1red5 wrote:mx52nv do you have any comments.... anything at all?

Have I become a post whore?
or am I missing something?

bpt4w - try ebay

No no... I was just referring to the fact that I'm not the only one here who cares about speeling things rite :mrgreen:

devolutio · Postby **devolutio** » Fri Aug 08, 2008 9:46 am

haha two rules :

if you can't spell scissor, you aren't allowed to do this to an mx5.

if you can spell scissor, you aren't allowed to do this to an mx5.

bruce · Postby **bruce** » Fri Aug 08, 2008 11:05 am

Sounds easier and much cheaper just to swap the seats !

Steampunk · Postby **Steampunk** » Fri Aug 08, 2008 1:13 pm

devolutio wrote:haha two rules :

if you can't spell scissor, you aren't allowed to do this to an mx5.

if you can spell scissor, you aren't allowed to do this to an mx5.

Amen to that brother.
Lamborghinnis are designed with these doors in mind and they have pneumatic actuators, pumps, etc that can probably hold/push over a 500kg in weight.
Even if these types of conversions work, I have heard from trusted sources that they will ok for the first couple of dozen openings and closings, but then it starts to sag and you get the "farm-gate-swaying-in-the-breeze" thing happening.

wun911 · Postby **wun911** » Fri Aug 08, 2008 2:25 pm

Hrmz what are the expected weight savings?

Postby **mx52nv** » Fri Aug 08, 2008 2:36 pm

OFF TOPIC:

1red5 wrote:No no... I was just referring to the fact that I'm not the only one here who cares about speeling things rite

Haha I TOTALLY missed that one :lol:

hahahaha sheesh must be the lack of coffee since my teeth got pulled out :roll:

.... just can't concentrate w/o caffeine :oops:

BACK TO TOPIC:

wun911 wrote:Hrmz what are the expected weight savings?

LOL Hey Wun I thought you might say something - just didn't expect it WHILE I was typing hehe

bpt4w - I already mentioned it would be easier to get a pair of seats that you can live with everyday then to go down modifying the car to fit S-C-I-S-S-O-R doors at such a ridiculous expense. Unless you are looking to attend AutoSalon or something then ignore the following advice:

At the top of my head here here are some seats that will fit, w/o having to be a contortionist to get in and out and also take seat harnesses:
Fixed - Sparco Roadsters
Reclinable - Mazdaspeed Type F, Recaro Sport JJ or SR 11, Bride Gias or Stradia

*Bear in mind that the fitment of a Roll bar/cage, which takes up some cabin space, may effect how far back the seat may slide back or recline. This is not the 'ultimate' list of MX5 seats, just what I have tried personally and what are in friends' MX5s.

There are other seats that will fit but because of higher side & corner seat design, will make it really hard to get in and out.

I have tried Recaros SR3s, Sparco Sprints, EVO, Pro2000, Recaro Milleniums etc. Either I had to lack of space due to my roll cage so I couldn't push the seat back any further or to recline it OR the door wouldn't close w/o removing of the standard NA6CE door handle/rest :roll:

Anyway, I hope you make your decision carefully as I believe modifying your doors in order to get in and out of your Sprints is a HUGE undertaking.

PUR157 · Postby **PUR157** » Fri Aug 08, 2008 3:53 pm

SM wrote:It's the running jump from behind the car that will do damage, especially when your feet hit the steering wheel (not my car)

Bwahaha... did you by any chance catch a video of this exercise?

wun911 wrote:Hrmz what are the expected weight savings?

Wun you would be horrified... The scissor door kits I saw required a huge bracket (looked like cast iron... hopefully not...) to be mounted where the door hinges... along with other required bracketry...

Might as well weld the doors shut... then you could ditch the hinges and latches... :lol: