NC swaybars queries

[Charlie Brown]

anyone?

Just out of interest, with the sways fitted; if less body roll is generated does that mean you are likely to have the DSC cut in less because the turn is will be smoother/more predictable?

Sorry mine doesn't have DSC, so I'm not qualified to comment.
I would say though that the DSC cutting in later would be the last thing I'd worry about compared to the improvement in handling.

[minix3]

anyone?

Just out of interest, with the sways fitted; if less body roll is generated does that mean you are likely to have the DSC cut in less because the turn is will be smoother/more predictable?

I found that mine cuts in more if I go hard into a corner since the back wants to let go more often.

[JBT]

Just out of interest, with the sways fitted; if less body roll is generated does that mean you are likely to have the DSC cut in less because the turn is will be smoother/more predictable?

I doubt that it will make much difference. The DSC only intervenes when it detects a 'slipping' situation and not body roll. If the car starts to lose traction or slips, regardless of how much body roll, the TC/DSC will activate.

[lucifuge]

Thanks, sounds like the DSC wont be too much of an option and really an afterthought given the benefits of the mods.

I still wouldn't mind an answer on the changes to 71%, 215% in terms of adjustments. The reason that I ask is that I previously updated a 22mm rear bar on an Integra Type-S to a 23mm. This only gave approx 19% difference and yet I was told to be really careful of the new dynamics. The car did feel a lot different. Although improved handling, I was aware of it potentially snapping a bit if I wasn't careful. Now I don't know to what extent this was because it was a FWD car, but the changes of 71%, 215% suggested here sound to me to be simply massive by way of comparison, so i am a little concerned that the changes will be scary in some sense. Or, are the changes not as radical as the numbers suggest and that it simply improves the car and you get used to it?

[Charlie Brown]

lucifuge, there's nothing to worry about. There is no snappiness on the limit using these stiffer bars.

The Mazdaspeed bars (designed by Mazda made by Eibach) are the same diameter as the Whiteline. These bars are used on most NCs upgraded in the US & the UK and come with rave reports on the improvement to the handling.

The Whiteline bars are adjustable allowing you to increase the roll stiffness at both the front (2 positions) and rear (3 positions). Mazda speed only have adjustable rears.

For road use, the softest settings front and rear are fine on the Whitelines. With this setting there is a tendency to understeer in tight corners / round-abouts when pushed hard. This setting is the friendliest for your average driver.
If you want more it to be balance in tight corners you just increase the roll stiffness in the rear by moving the link to the centre hole. On this setting the car will either under or oversteer depending on your steering and power input.
On the inside hole you will induce oversteer.
The front bar doesn’t need to be moved from the softest setting unless you are doing track work with high speed sweeping corners and very few tight corners. On the track you really notice the understeer on this setting and you need to crank the rear up to maximum to get some balance.

[lucifuge]

Thanks all for the swaybar advice, particularly Charlie Brown.

I just ordered front and rear Whitelines...can't wait.

I'm keen to drop it a little too, maybe 30mm, but no more. 90% of the reason for this is for improved looks, but any benefits from handling will be appreciated. Are there Eibachs that will drop it by approx 30mm....where does one source them on the cheep?

I'm presuming dropping it by no more than 30mm wont result in a noticebly harsher ride? If it well, let me know as I wont do it

[@ndrew]

Thanks all for the swaybar advice, particularly Charlie Brown.

I just ordered front and rear Whitelines...can't wait.

I'm keen to drop it a little too, maybe 30mm, but no more. 90% of the reason for this is for improved looks, but any benefits from handling will be appreciated. Are there Eibachs that will drop it by approx 30mm....where does one source them on the cheep?

I'm presuming dropping it by no more than 30mm wont result in a noticebly harsher ride? If it well, let me know as I wont do it

Who you buying the whiteline kit from?? What's the cost??

I intend on buying the Eibach Pro-kit as i've read some great reviews about it.

The cheapest price i've found is through Good-win Racing for $380.90 shipped in comparision to paying $550+ locally

http://www.good-win-racing.com/Mazda-Performance-Part/20-1032nc.html

If you manage to find a cheaper place do let us know.

[lucifuge]

Thanks all for the swaybar advice, particularly Charlie Brown.

I just ordered front and rear Whitelines...can't wait.

I'm keen to drop it a little too, maybe 30mm, but no more. 90% of the reason for this is for improved looks, but any benefits from handling will be appreciated. Are there Eibachs that will drop it by approx 30mm....where does one source them on the cheep?

I'm presuming dropping it by no more than 30mm wont result in a noticebly harsher ride? If it well, let me know as I wont do it

Who you buying the whiteline kit from?? What's the cost??

I intend on buying the Eibach Pro-kit as i've read some great reviews about it.

The cheapest price i've found is through Good-win Racing for $380.90 shipped in comparision to paying $550+ locally

http://www.good-win-racing.com/Mazda-Performance-Part/20-1032nc.html

If you manage to find a cheaper place do let us know.

I ordered from the Whiteline website directly. Approx $220 each + delivery depending upon area.