when 2 NA6's are like apples & oragnes

kitkat · Postby **kitkat** » Tue May 27, 2008 11:52 am

kula wrote:drive my car again stan,

manualised power rack.

Your crazy.

I've had the PS belt come off mid corner many moons ago... t'was an interesting experience, then i had to drive around for a bit on manual mode. Great upper body workout but never again. :shock:

Sasso · Postby **Sasso** » Tue May 27, 2008 2:47 pm

STM if the car you were comparing yours to was Kula's car then I'm not surprised, he has all the good quality mods on it.
The suspension bushes, butterfly brace and all the other braces, cusco coilovers and thick sway bars would make a massive difference.

ampz · Postby **ampz** » Tue May 27, 2008 5:10 pm

Nah it wasn't Kula's.

Hey Stefan, you home tonight?

kula · Postby **kula** » Tue May 27, 2008 7:21 pm

kitkat wrote:
kula wrote:drive my car again stan,

manualised power rack.

Your crazy.

I've had the PS belt come off mid corner many moons ago... t'was an interesting experience, then i had to drive around for a bit on manual mode. Great upper body workout but never again.

ah hyes but mine has the fluid and seal removed, so its pretty close to the manual racks effort, just a slightly quicker ratio, 15:1 vs 18:1.

Sasso · Postby **Sasso** » Tue May 27, 2008 9:16 pm

kula wrote:
kitkat wrote:
kula wrote:drive my car again stan,

manualised power rack.

Your crazy.

I've had the PS belt come off mid corner many moons ago... t'was an interesting experience, then i had to drive around for a bit on manual mode. Great upper body workout but never again.

ah hyes but mine has the fluid and seal removed, so its pretty close to the manual racks effort, just a slightly quicker ratio, 15:1 vs 18:1.

Why would you do that? It can't possibly sap noticable power, or weigh anything significant, not that it matters with a turbo. And the feel can't be that much better that it makes you drive faster? It must simply be the added effort or for style purposes?

kula · Postby **kula** » Tue May 27, 2008 9:33 pm

put simply, i had manual steering in my car aready and i wanted the quicker ratio.

i didnt want to install the extra drive belt, pump, etc..
it weighs a fair bit actually, a couple of kilos at least, and there is a bit of parasitic drag on the engine.

Fatty · Postby **Fatty** » Tue May 27, 2008 9:40 pm

it's a very common mod especially among the racers in the usa, afaik.

so do you reckon it's worth it for a track car kula? i might think about doing it one day ...

Alex · Postby **Alex** » Tue May 27, 2008 9:56 pm

StanTheMan wrote:NA6 power steering feels differnt to NA8. NB8A PS.is in a different universe.
NB8B is heaps better than the NB8A. NB8C is sweet. But does not seem as sweet as the NA6 power steering.

remind me never to drive a NB8B/C or an NA with power steering

ignorance is bliss

Sasso · Postby **Sasso** » Tue May 27, 2008 11:37 pm

kula wrote:put simply, i had manual steering in my car aready and i wanted the quicker ratio.

i didnt want to install the extra drive belt, pump, etc..
it weighs a fair bit actually, a couple of kilos at least, and there is a bit of parasitic drag on the engine.

Fair enough.

Adam_NAclubman · Postby **Adam_NAclubman** » Tue May 27, 2008 11:58 pm

I dont think its the manual rack or Torsen making your car understeer Stan, mine doesnt understeer at all, just a touch of oversteer if you really push it

I quite liked my standard Clubman Bilsteins until I changed the stock springs for some Kings, wasnt so nice after that. With the new coilovers its bloody nice. And bloody low. I REALLY need to roll the crap out of my guards before I drive it again

I don't find the manual rack to be too heavy, even with wideish offset wheels and stickyish tyres. Its noticably lighter with crappier narrower tyres, but I dont have a problem with it. I'm looking at going for a de-powered power rack at some point though

StanTheMan · Postby **StanTheMan** » Wed May 28, 2008 1:52 am

ampz wrote:Nah it wasn't Kula's.

Hey Stefan, you home tonight?

err no just got in I need to retutrn thost bits

StanTheMan · Postby **StanTheMan** » Wed May 28, 2008 1:57 am

SM wrote:
StanTheMan wrote:NA6 power steering feels differnt to NA8. NB8A PS.is in a different universe.
NB8B is heaps better than the NB8A. NB8C is sweet. But does not seem as sweet as the NA6 power steering.

remind me never to drive a NB8B/C or an NA with power steering

ignorance is bliss

Its personal opinion which is subjectve. NB8A Power steering is my least prefered option of the MX5's. this does not mean the NB8A's are bad.

I personally just don't like the PS on them thats all.

StanTheMan · Postby **StanTheMan** » Wed May 28, 2008 2:04 am

Sasso wrote:STM if the car you were comparing yours to was Kula's car then I'm not surprised, he has all the good quality mods on it.
The suspension bushes, butterfly brace and all the other braces, cusco coilovers and thick sway bars would make a massive difference.

wasn't comapring Kulas car at any stage. Kulas car is a different animal to my own. in every way.

the point was although I expecetd Zi's car to be different it was very similar handling to another car which was almost exact set up as my own.

cars can handle extreemly well without all the fancy stuff. My journey is about what that is...... I hope I'm making sense.

Coil overs could be part of the reason. but certainly not all of it.
quicker ratio is defenatly part of it.....but probably only part of equasion.

jules · Postby **jules** » Wed May 28, 2008 11:25 am

Let us know how you go after the alignment. Actually Malibu hasn't been done either for 2 years. I think I'll get onto that this week. The front feels like it's on positive camber in roundabouts at the moment.

Jules

Spranga · Postby **Spranga** » Fri May 30, 2008 7:26 pm

So what alignment does Zi have. I have Koni/Kings and if I get a good alignment we may have our answer as I have NA8 power steer. I am happy to get it done and go for a research drive along The Putty... what do ya reckon Stan?