Muzzy's original NA6
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Muzzy's original NA6
Been on here for a week or so now, and have finally had the time to introduce myself and my new ride.
Firstly, I'm Pete. Now that you know that bit of unexciting news, I'll introduce you to the ride.
Picked up this original NA6 MX-5 exactly a week ago (last Thursday to be precise) and already I'm in love!
Had a little uncertainty over whether I could live with an MX5 as a daily driver ... but I've wanted one for years now so I decided hell with it, you live once - gotta buy with the heart from time to time.
Was really after an NA6 because I love the shape and was drawn to it being a little piece of history. Was specifically after a red, low km, clean, unmodified example but figured i'd never find it.
Then, last minute car hunting one night revealed this - a 1989 NA6. Second owner (who had owned it since it was 4 years old), 107,000 original km, completely unmodified (aside from CD player and simple speakers) and stunningly well cared for.
Took it for a test drive, took a night to think about it, then put down a deposit the next day - and the rest, as they say, is history
Firstly, I'm Pete. Now that you know that bit of unexciting news, I'll introduce you to the ride.
Picked up this original NA6 MX-5 exactly a week ago (last Thursday to be precise) and already I'm in love!
Had a little uncertainty over whether I could live with an MX5 as a daily driver ... but I've wanted one for years now so I decided hell with it, you live once - gotta buy with the heart from time to time.
Was really after an NA6 because I love the shape and was drawn to it being a little piece of history. Was specifically after a red, low km, clean, unmodified example but figured i'd never find it.
Then, last minute car hunting one night revealed this - a 1989 NA6. Second owner (who had owned it since it was 4 years old), 107,000 original km, completely unmodified (aside from CD player and simple speakers) and stunningly well cared for.
Took it for a test drive, took a night to think about it, then put down a deposit the next day - and the rest, as they say, is history
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I'm a bit of an audio man myself, so in time a sound system will come with it.
I've done a little work in the industry for a fairly high end installing company (mainly helping out voluntarilly) and have been competing for about two years in the car audio SQ scene mainly in amateur classes...up until late last year where I moved into Pro class for the final state round and national finals where I finished 2nd in the state and 4th in the nation, respectively.
So a rundown of my new (updated) system plans:
Source: Pioneer DEH-P80RS
Tweeters: Scanspeak D3004-6600 AirCirc 1\"
Midbass: Peerless 830875 HDS Nomex 6.5\"
Subwoofer: Peerless 830951 XXLS Aluminium 10\"
Amplifier: DLS Reference RA50 5 Channel
Amplifier: Audison SRx5
And a little graphical representation of the system:
I've done a little work in the industry for a fairly high end installing company (mainly helping out voluntarilly) and have been competing for about two years in the car audio SQ scene mainly in amateur classes...up until late last year where I moved into Pro class for the final state round and national finals where I finished 2nd in the state and 4th in the nation, respectively.
So a rundown of my new (updated) system plans:
Source: Pioneer DEH-P80RS
Tweeters: Scanspeak D3004-6600 AirCirc 1\"
Midbass: Peerless 830875 HDS Nomex 6.5\"
Subwoofer: Peerless 830951 XXLS Aluminium 10\"
Amplifier: DLS Reference RA50 5 Channel
Amplifier: Audison SRx5
And a little graphical representation of the system:
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Re:
Thanks for the kinda comments guys
It's already begun
Just today I was already debating which MX5 will be my next car...after you've had one just for a week, already you find yourself not wanting any other car!
I find myself jumping at the chance to go for drives on occasions where (in the past) I would have tried to avoid the chore.
Biggest surprise for me has been how capable it is as a daily driver...it's as economical and easy to drive as my Laser was, but oooh so much more fun!
It's like it's a tool when you need a tool, and a toy when you need a toy - I love it
Hot Rodders wrote:Welcome to The Obsession!
It's already begun
Just today I was already debating which MX5 will be my next car...after you've had one just for a week, already you find yourself not wanting any other car!
I find myself jumping at the chance to go for drives on occasions where (in the past) I would have tried to avoid the chore.
Biggest surprise for me has been how capable it is as a daily driver...it's as economical and easy to drive as my Laser was, but oooh so much more fun!
It's like it's a tool when you need a tool, and a toy when you need a toy - I love it
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BlackMX wrote:Hey there Pete
Thats a very nice NA you have there, looks to be in excellent condition.
Welcome to the world of the 5
PS. You sure Jack's not going to be green with envy
Haha I'm sure he'll survive!
I haven't seen his one up close, but from what I recall it seemed as if he has a pretty clean example himself!
Mike already fell for the ol' trick when I went down the other day. He apparently said to Dan "oh, it's Jack", after which a look of bewilderment followed as he realised it was actually me!
I love the car though. The more I drive it the more I'm amazed with how effortlessly it takes corners with enthusiasm.
A few times I've just thrown it into a corner - waiting for it to start to lose it - and it just goes straight around without so much as the slightest effort and I come out thinking "I could have easily done that 10km/h faster".
I think it'll take me time to adjust to it's capabilities - after being used to Lasers and Falcons, I lose confidence in a corner long before the car does!
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Some small updates to my system plans - I'll introduce these one step at a time.
Due to lack of cash right now, my aim with this system is to create the most impressive performance-per-dollar system going around, and I plan to do this via careful choice of components, and well planned installation.
So far, I have chosen (and picked up) both my tweeters and midrange drivers.
The tweeters are Vifa D27TG-05-06 large format silk domes.
These aren't your typical car audio tweeters - in fact that are actually home audio drivers, typically used in some quality Hi-Fi speakers.
I don't expect them to match the Scanspeak tweeters I used in my previous install (and plan to use again for the final version of this system), but for the time being they will be sufficient.
For the price of $100 a pair, they are extremely good value. Their performance is easilly on par with car audio tweetrs costing double the price and more.
The mids are 4\" drivers from the Peerless HDS range.
The High Definition Sound (HDS) range by Peerless includes some of the best midrange drivers out there, regardless of price. They are known for their extreme accuracy, with increadibly low distortion levels and stunningly neutral frequency response.
They are also great value. - at $200 a pair, the 4\" HDS is perhaps the best value midrange on the planet, capable of performance on par with speakers costing two, three, four (and even more) times the price.
Due to lack of cash right now, my aim with this system is to create the most impressive performance-per-dollar system going around, and I plan to do this via careful choice of components, and well planned installation.
So far, I have chosen (and picked up) both my tweeters and midrange drivers.
The tweeters are Vifa D27TG-05-06 large format silk domes.
These aren't your typical car audio tweeters - in fact that are actually home audio drivers, typically used in some quality Hi-Fi speakers.
I don't expect them to match the Scanspeak tweeters I used in my previous install (and plan to use again for the final version of this system), but for the time being they will be sufficient.
For the price of $100 a pair, they are extremely good value. Their performance is easilly on par with car audio tweetrs costing double the price and more.
The mids are 4\" drivers from the Peerless HDS range.
The High Definition Sound (HDS) range by Peerless includes some of the best midrange drivers out there, regardless of price. They are known for their extreme accuracy, with increadibly low distortion levels and stunningly neutral frequency response.
They are also great value. - at $200 a pair, the 4\" HDS is perhaps the best value midrange on the planet, capable of performance on par with speakers costing two, three, four (and even more) times the price.
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Now onto the initial stages of the installation.
First things I did is build some cardboard spacers for the speakers. Making the initial ones out of cardboard makes it easier to alter them bit by bit (and rebuild them if necessary) until they are perfect. They can then be traced onto 16mm MDF and cut out.
A busy workbench:
Making the tweeter template:
Making the midrange template:
Finalised midrange template:
First things I did is build some cardboard spacers for the speakers. Making the initial ones out of cardboard makes it easier to alter them bit by bit (and rebuild them if necessary) until they are perfect. They can then be traced onto 16mm MDF and cut out.
A busy workbench:
Making the tweeter template:
Making the midrange template:
Finalised midrange template:
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Re: Muzzy's original NA6
Ok so literally years have passed, I've lost count of the number of different system setups I've gone through, and still I've not updated this thread!
Well that's about to change!!
Sadly I've had a bunch of things starting to go wrong with the MX5, mostly simply signs of age:
1. Wipers screeching on windscreen
2. Blown 3 headlights in the last year and a half (left once, right twice)
3. Rear window Zipper gets jammed about 1/3 of the way open (don't now if this is an easy fix)
4. Damaged front-right guard (wasn't paying attention when reversing out of a space)
5. Engine sometimes struggles to start first time (always starts second turn)
6. Hole in my muffler
7. Power windows move slowly (left one at a crawl)
8. Paint is fading badly on bear bumper, side mirrors and rear-left guard
I've been serioulsy thinking of selling the car, putting in another 2k or 3k on top and buying something newer and more practical...but yesterday I put in some platinum bulbs and changed the wipers, and now the car is kinda pleasant to drive again. This has got me thinking that maybe instead of blowing 3k or so on another car, maybe I should just spend $1.000-$1,500 and fix what's wrong with the MX5 and then keep it.
Started thinking that hey, the car is already 22 years old so it's not like it's going to lose much in depreciation...but if I buy a 2000 model Liberty or Alfa 156 for $10k it's going to be worth 7k in 2 years.
Well that's about to change!!
Sadly I've had a bunch of things starting to go wrong with the MX5, mostly simply signs of age:
1. Wipers screeching on windscreen
2. Blown 3 headlights in the last year and a half (left once, right twice)
3. Rear window Zipper gets jammed about 1/3 of the way open (don't now if this is an easy fix)
4. Damaged front-right guard (wasn't paying attention when reversing out of a space)
5. Engine sometimes struggles to start first time (always starts second turn)
6. Hole in my muffler
7. Power windows move slowly (left one at a crawl)
8. Paint is fading badly on bear bumper, side mirrors and rear-left guard
I've been serioulsy thinking of selling the car, putting in another 2k or 3k on top and buying something newer and more practical...but yesterday I put in some platinum bulbs and changed the wipers, and now the car is kinda pleasant to drive again. This has got me thinking that maybe instead of blowing 3k or so on another car, maybe I should just spend $1.000-$1,500 and fix what's wrong with the MX5 and then keep it.
Started thinking that hey, the car is already 22 years old so it's not like it's going to lose much in depreciation...but if I buy a 2000 model Liberty or Alfa 156 for $10k it's going to be worth 7k in 2 years.
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Car
2004 Alfa Romeo 147 GTA
Audio
Source: Clarion HX-D2
Speakers: Focal 165WRC
Amp: Zapco Reference 350.2
Sub: DLS Nordica 10i
Amp: Helix H1000
Car
2004 Alfa Romeo 147 GTA
Audio
Source: Clarion HX-D2
Speakers: Focal 165WRC
Amp: Zapco Reference 350.2
Sub: DLS Nordica 10i
Amp: Helix H1000
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Re: Muzzy's original NA6
Ok, now that the car news is out of the way it's time to move on to my other passion - the stereo!
First let me start with a brief history of my car audio experiences - this will probably be boring, so feel free to skip straight to the next post
The first stereo:
My first after market stereo was in my second car - a 1987 XF Falcon. I was a wee yougn' and not working at the time, so all I had was a set of Jaycar 4" coaxials in front and 6x9's in back. I knew nothing at all about audio at this stage, and thought this was pretty spectacular.
The first pro install:
After a couple of years I got a job and I bought myself a Ford KF Laser. Since I had my first job, I decided it was time to get a real stereo! Off some advice from guys on Laserforums I got into contact with Marty at FHRX Studios, and he really game me a ton of useful information. It was my first job working full time hours, so i was enjoying the cash and lashing out - got a full system pro installed by Marty and crew running some Morel Pulse splits and an IDMAX subwoofer running of some nice Audison and ARC audio amplifiers. It was nice, but I got introduced to Car Audio Australia (now Mobile Electronics Australia) and their sound quality competitions, and things changed forever.
Going active:
After going to a few comps I started to really get caught up in this 'sound quality' thing, and started to really spend a lot of time reading on forums and learning from others. After hearing some great cars down at Marty's I felt the need to jump up a level, and upgraded to some very nice Rainbow Profi splits. This lasted all but a few months before I went nuts and decided to go all out - I got myself a Clarion HX-D2 head unit with inbuilt 4-way active processor, and then splashed into a fancy custom front stage running Profi Vanadium mids along with Rainbow Power tweeters and midbass drivers. Money was fairly scarce, so I did all the install work myself...it was dodgy at first, but I learned as I went along. Entered a bunch of competitions and actually started getting some pretty solid results - a few 3rd and 4th places at some NSW events, and this wasn't bad considering there were usually 10-15 competitors in amateur class and the system was never really complete.
A brotherly inspiration
After a while my brother got into the SQ scene himself - he had always been into custom sound, but never really did much with it. He insisted that he could get DIY hifi drivers for a fraction of the cost of my $2,000 Rainbow setup, and I mocked him in defense...strongly in the belief that you get what you pay for. He put together his $500 front stage using Peerless HDS Exclusive woofers and Scanspeak tweeters - it was dodgy as hell (with MDF brick enclosures on his doors) but even in an unfinished state the sound quality was inspiring. He didn't have the midbass of my 7" monsters, but he had a finesse and natural presence in his mids and highs that I'd never heard before...and thus the DIY interest began.
The DIY route
I got over having to fit 8 channels of amplification, monster midbass drivers and rediculous amouts of custom work in my car and decided to scale back to a simplew 2-way front stagefor the 7th and final round of NSW competition. After a ton of research I went for the best performing drivers DIY had to offer -7" Scanspeak Revelators in the kicks, and Scanspeak A6600 'AirCirc' tweeters in the Pillars. The sub was Peerless' ultra low distorion XXLS. My plan was to enter Pro class and take on the best - the professional installers and store owners. This was my first attempt at fibreglassing, and I built my own custom A-pillar trims and custom kickpanel enclosures for the woofers. I worked my butt off for days, but I had some setbacks and was crushed when they weren't ready for the final round of NSW competition.
Not one to give up, I knew what I had to do. I stopped at bunnings on the way to the comp and bought about 4 packs of blu-tac and about 6 rolls of masking tape - I was a man on a mission! I had a plan, but I had no idea if it would even be achievable. I made it to the event on time, and paid my entry - lucky Pro class was being judged last so I had time. At 8am in the Autobarn car park, I started building custom blu-tac mounts for my tweeters getting those angles just right...and then I turned my attention to the mids. Sitting the mids on the right angle, I started building custom kickpanel enclosures..out of masking tape! A good 6-8 layer thick coat of masking tape actually came out far more solid and airtight then I had expected, and it actually half worked. With all the 'custom fabricating' finished, I jumped in the drivers seat and stated a quick last minute tuning session...working frantically with the time alignment, levels and crossovers I finally got it as good as I possible could given the install conditions, and that very second the judge knocked on my window.
The results came out and I was amazed! Marty finished first of course, but I managed to beat another pro installer to take the second place trophy as well as encouragement award. This gave me the very first taste of just how good DIY gear can be even with a terrible install..and it gave me the motivation. I'd then go on to the National Finals, where I beat all NSW competitors to take 4th place overall.
The MX5:
With about $8,000 worth of gear in my Laser, I one day got paranoid when I walked out of my work to find my window smashed, but dash in pieces, and my HX-D2 missing. This opened my mind to realising that it was ust to risky to have such expensive gear in a cheap uninsured car. It was also starting to give me problems, so I decided to fix the Laser and sell it. I'd always wanted an MX5, but didn't think I'd afford one...yet I managed to pick up my original 1989 NA6, and a new adventure began!
Since buying the MX5 I've switched to a pure DIY guy - over the years I've done countless hours of research and firsthand testing and listening. I've gone through different head units, several different mids and agood 7 or 8 different pairs of tweeters and along the way I've listend to a good 8-10 different sets of high end car audio splits ranging in price from $800 to as much as $3,500. One key thing I've learned through all this is that car audio gear, dollar for dollar, is no match for DIY hifi gear. Hard as it is to believe, it really is true that there are $150/pair DIY tweeters that absolutely blow away $800 car tweeters...hence why I've never gone back to car audio products.
Things have been really inconsistent for me - I had no money or time when I first got the car because I was studying, after that I had job issues and I've gone through masses of experimental setups, hence this page hasn't been updates. Now I've finally settled on a final system, and so I'm getting my update in
First let me start with a brief history of my car audio experiences - this will probably be boring, so feel free to skip straight to the next post
The first stereo:
My first after market stereo was in my second car - a 1987 XF Falcon. I was a wee yougn' and not working at the time, so all I had was a set of Jaycar 4" coaxials in front and 6x9's in back. I knew nothing at all about audio at this stage, and thought this was pretty spectacular.
The first pro install:
After a couple of years I got a job and I bought myself a Ford KF Laser. Since I had my first job, I decided it was time to get a real stereo! Off some advice from guys on Laserforums I got into contact with Marty at FHRX Studios, and he really game me a ton of useful information. It was my first job working full time hours, so i was enjoying the cash and lashing out - got a full system pro installed by Marty and crew running some Morel Pulse splits and an IDMAX subwoofer running of some nice Audison and ARC audio amplifiers. It was nice, but I got introduced to Car Audio Australia (now Mobile Electronics Australia) and their sound quality competitions, and things changed forever.
Going active:
After going to a few comps I started to really get caught up in this 'sound quality' thing, and started to really spend a lot of time reading on forums and learning from others. After hearing some great cars down at Marty's I felt the need to jump up a level, and upgraded to some very nice Rainbow Profi splits. This lasted all but a few months before I went nuts and decided to go all out - I got myself a Clarion HX-D2 head unit with inbuilt 4-way active processor, and then splashed into a fancy custom front stage running Profi Vanadium mids along with Rainbow Power tweeters and midbass drivers. Money was fairly scarce, so I did all the install work myself...it was dodgy at first, but I learned as I went along. Entered a bunch of competitions and actually started getting some pretty solid results - a few 3rd and 4th places at some NSW events, and this wasn't bad considering there were usually 10-15 competitors in amateur class and the system was never really complete.
A brotherly inspiration
After a while my brother got into the SQ scene himself - he had always been into custom sound, but never really did much with it. He insisted that he could get DIY hifi drivers for a fraction of the cost of my $2,000 Rainbow setup, and I mocked him in defense...strongly in the belief that you get what you pay for. He put together his $500 front stage using Peerless HDS Exclusive woofers and Scanspeak tweeters - it was dodgy as hell (with MDF brick enclosures on his doors) but even in an unfinished state the sound quality was inspiring. He didn't have the midbass of my 7" monsters, but he had a finesse and natural presence in his mids and highs that I'd never heard before...and thus the DIY interest began.
The DIY route
I got over having to fit 8 channels of amplification, monster midbass drivers and rediculous amouts of custom work in my car and decided to scale back to a simplew 2-way front stagefor the 7th and final round of NSW competition. After a ton of research I went for the best performing drivers DIY had to offer -7" Scanspeak Revelators in the kicks, and Scanspeak A6600 'AirCirc' tweeters in the Pillars. The sub was Peerless' ultra low distorion XXLS. My plan was to enter Pro class and take on the best - the professional installers and store owners. This was my first attempt at fibreglassing, and I built my own custom A-pillar trims and custom kickpanel enclosures for the woofers. I worked my butt off for days, but I had some setbacks and was crushed when they weren't ready for the final round of NSW competition.
Not one to give up, I knew what I had to do. I stopped at bunnings on the way to the comp and bought about 4 packs of blu-tac and about 6 rolls of masking tape - I was a man on a mission! I had a plan, but I had no idea if it would even be achievable. I made it to the event on time, and paid my entry - lucky Pro class was being judged last so I had time. At 8am in the Autobarn car park, I started building custom blu-tac mounts for my tweeters getting those angles just right...and then I turned my attention to the mids. Sitting the mids on the right angle, I started building custom kickpanel enclosures..out of masking tape! A good 6-8 layer thick coat of masking tape actually came out far more solid and airtight then I had expected, and it actually half worked. With all the 'custom fabricating' finished, I jumped in the drivers seat and stated a quick last minute tuning session...working frantically with the time alignment, levels and crossovers I finally got it as good as I possible could given the install conditions, and that very second the judge knocked on my window.
The results came out and I was amazed! Marty finished first of course, but I managed to beat another pro installer to take the second place trophy as well as encouragement award. This gave me the very first taste of just how good DIY gear can be even with a terrible install..and it gave me the motivation. I'd then go on to the National Finals, where I beat all NSW competitors to take 4th place overall.
The MX5:
With about $8,000 worth of gear in my Laser, I one day got paranoid when I walked out of my work to find my window smashed, but dash in pieces, and my HX-D2 missing. This opened my mind to realising that it was ust to risky to have such expensive gear in a cheap uninsured car. It was also starting to give me problems, so I decided to fix the Laser and sell it. I'd always wanted an MX5, but didn't think I'd afford one...yet I managed to pick up my original 1989 NA6, and a new adventure began!
Since buying the MX5 I've switched to a pure DIY guy - over the years I've done countless hours of research and firsthand testing and listening. I've gone through different head units, several different mids and agood 7 or 8 different pairs of tweeters and along the way I've listend to a good 8-10 different sets of high end car audio splits ranging in price from $800 to as much as $3,500. One key thing I've learned through all this is that car audio gear, dollar for dollar, is no match for DIY hifi gear. Hard as it is to believe, it really is true that there are $150/pair DIY tweeters that absolutely blow away $800 car tweeters...hence why I've never gone back to car audio products.
Things have been really inconsistent for me - I had no money or time when I first got the car because I was studying, after that I had job issues and I've gone through masses of experimental setups, hence this page hasn't been updates. Now I've finally settled on a final system, and so I'm getting my update in
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Car
2004 Alfa Romeo 147 GTA
Audio
Source: Clarion HX-D2
Speakers: Focal 165WRC
Amp: Zapco Reference 350.2
Sub: DLS Nordica 10i
Amp: Helix H1000
Car
2004 Alfa Romeo 147 GTA
Audio
Source: Clarion HX-D2
Speakers: Focal 165WRC
Amp: Zapco Reference 350.2
Sub: DLS Nordica 10i
Amp: Helix H1000
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