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Postby 16bit » Sat Jun 16, 2007 5:31 pm

guess who just signed up with bullet cars (www.bulletcars.com.au) to get a rotrex supercharger kit made!


ME!!!!

The kit will then be based off the work they do on my car. It goes in to get the work done in about 2 or 3 weeks. I am excited to say the least.

They are hoping for about a 50% increase in power. Being an intercooled setup and considering I already have the full loch stewart exhaust i would think that is more then possible. Here is a pic of the z4 kit they have done - http://www.bulletcars.com/products-serv ... ystem.html

Will get pics and power figures when it all happens in about a month! :mrgreen:
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Postby marcusus » Sat Jun 16, 2007 5:38 pm

I wonder how this compares to a FF supercharger...

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Postby 16bit » Sat Jun 16, 2007 5:52 pm

i spose we will find out in about a month - this will have a chiptorque xede piggy back computer so it should run fine. as for power i would think pretty similar - but its a new product and we are yet to see the ff kit produce claimed figures in this country.

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Postby marcusus » Sat Jun 16, 2007 6:56 pm

Still waiting on the verdict from tk421. The car was looking pretty close to done when I was at Mania last week.

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Postby irwin83r » Sat Jun 16, 2007 10:44 pm

the FF kit looked to have afew problems when i seen it on friday at mania... i wouldnt call it a bolt in kit :?

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Postby marcusus » Sun Jun 17, 2007 5:37 pm

irwin83r wrote:the FF kit looked to have afew problems when i seen it on friday at mania... i wouldnt call it a bolt in kit :?

They're still going on it? I would've thought it was just a matter of getting that last bit of piping from the CAI round to the FF throttle body and it was mostly right to go?

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Postby tk421 » Sun Jun 17, 2007 10:32 pm

Everybody has seen it except me.. :( :(

There was a pre-existing problem with my engine (unrelated to the kit) of which none of us were aware. Meaning that when it was started after sitting around for an extended period it went immediately onto three cylinders (with a possible ring failure or more). The engine had good compression when Daniel tested it 3 months ago and its done bugger all km's since then, there was no reason to suspect a problem. I'll note that Daniel has seen this sort of behaviour from an NB8A before after an extended period of no activity.

Basically we are looking at a rebuild so it'll be a few more weeks before its right to go. At least I will get to fit some stronger pistons.

The kit has not been a simple bolt in because a pre-98 Mx5 in Aust does not have ABS. A such the proportioning valve was in the way of the throttle body, meaning it had to be moved. Perhaps when FFS see the pics they may come up with a solution for this.

Secondly Daniel wasn't overly happy with the AFM simply hanging behind the blower so we decided piping to the cai was a better idea. This has obviously involved some work. This would not necessarily be mandatory for every car (Tom has run his with the AFM just behind for 9 months now without issue).

I wanted a remote oil filter setup on it for the obvious ease of oil changes. Again this added some work but not mandatory.

To blame the present state of affairs on the kit is unfair. If it had a turbo or anything else fitted the engine still would have s@#$ itself :cry: . Why don't we all just reserve our judgement until it has hit the road and the dyno as I am..

I wish you well on the Rotrex kit 16 bit. A couple of guys on the US forum have fitted one with good results (if you have a look for Rotrex in the search you will find them). They say the throttle response is somewhere between a turbo and a MP62 coldside. The only prob with these is that its still more or less a belt dríven turbo. Characteristically they don't make as much boost at low RPM therefore aren't as torquey off idle / lower rpms as an eaton (or a turbo), though the Rotrax is said to be better than say the VF engineering kit available a few years ago. They are also very quiet which depending on your point of view may be a good thing - Personally that isn't really my bag :mrgreen: :evil: . I'm sure it will be good though . A home grown kit certainly sounds like a good idea.

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Postby 16bit » Mon Jun 18, 2007 12:01 pm

whats the address for the us site?

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Postby marcusus » Mon Jun 18, 2007 8:07 pm

http://www.fastforwardsuperchargers.com/
Assuming you're talking about Fast Forward...

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Postby Okibi » Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:02 pm

hrmz, Vortex snail :?

Are they going to use a twin screw (or at least a roots) blower?
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Postby tk421 » Tue Jun 19, 2007 1:25 am

I believe he is looking for this

http://forum.miata.net/ You have to sign to use the search feature

Okibi its the same blower that constitutes the \"new\" jackson kit.

ie this:

http://www.jacksonracing.com/home.htm

Supposed to be the best of both worlds. Characteristically in the past this type of blower has been more suited to higher capacilty engines as I'm sure your comment refers. This Rotrex is claimed to be different, but I don't believe Jackson is distributing it as yet therefore there is not much empirical evidience to back that up. For one thing it is quite small. The size of an MP62 certainly makes it a tight fit (when its on the wrong side :) ).

It will be interesting to see what they are going to do with the throttle body in relation to 16 bits install. Moving it was a big source of drama for the Jackson kits originally.

Like I said it would be great to see someone supporting a supercharger kit for a 5 locally by whatever means. If they manage to do a good job of it (hp, driveability and reliability) then good for them and good on 16 bit for being the test subject.
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Postby Okibi » Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:40 am

Yup, totally agree.

And thanks for the link to JR, I hadn't seen their new Rotrex stooperchargers yet.

It certainly takes up a lot less room than a Roots/Twin Screw, i'd love to see some real world comparisons.
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Postby 16bit » Tue Jun 19, 2007 10:03 am

It does not need to have the same displacement as roots type - they spin at almost turbo speeds. I am going for the C30-84 which is pretty much a gt28 turbo but belt dríven in power figures (320hp). I has the same compressor efficiency as a turbo but has the response of a supercharger. Obviously it is going to sacrifice a little of both but if Koeniggseg use it on their car - it should be ok. They got an extra 70kwatw with the 2.5l bmw 6 cylinder motor - which is rougly 50%. Not bad at 6psi. Will be good to see if it can beat the other kits on the market - it can also support around 20psi so big hp is possible if the motor is decompressed.

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Postby Marador » Tue Jun 19, 2007 12:07 pm

Hey mate, its Schmack of Redline here. Cant wait to see the car in action...
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Postby 16bit » Thu Jun 28, 2007 4:27 pm

car goes in this saturday and the charger has arrived! In about 2 weeks i should have between 220 - 250 bhp!


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