Performance Gains for a P' Plater

Boags · Postby **Boags** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:13 pm

SM wrote:Engineers cert is only required when changing anything that affects the safety or emissions of the car, ie brakes, airbags, engine mods that make too much noise or bad emissions

Can you quote where that came from please. I'm not convinced it is correct.

Boags

Fatty · Postby **Fatty** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:43 pm

i'm kinda shaking my head in astonishment that you are even thinking of taking an auto to the track. or maybe you were only thinking of doing this after doing a manual conversion ? if so, what a waste of money!

if i haven't made my thoughts on this crystal clear, i'll say it again. SELL THE CAR. BUY A MANUAL.

broady · Postby **broady** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:55 pm

SM wrote:
broady wrote:Er, you realise most (if not all) of these mods mentioned, are illegal under P plater laws (under "performance modifications", i think it used to be "engine performance modifications")?

didn't you read my post before
a direct quote from the RTA website regarding restrictions on P-platers states
Any vehicle with engine performance modifications requiring an engineerâ€™s certification for registration purposes is banned under the prohibited vehicle scheme.

hence he could do most of these as an Engineers cert is only required when changing anything that affects the safety or emissions of the car, ie brakes, airbags, engine mods that make too much noise or bad emissions

I'm quite sure you'll need a cert for extractors, cams & ECU

RG.net · Postby **RG.net** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 12:12 am

mods would not be a waste as i plan to change the box, and i am aware that the autos are slower, but hey what can you do, please explain to me why it is a waste of money to do a manual conversion? i would rather keep this mx for as long as i can as i know its history (majority of it) and i've already worked on it.

zoomzoom · Postby **zoomzoom** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 1:42 am

They are in NSW Boags, thier laws may be different to ours. Technically in QLD if you fart in your car you need a mod plate. From memory the law here prettywell says that just about anything you change from std factory needs to be engineered and mod plated :roll:

Boags · Postby **Boags** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 9:37 am

zoomzoom wrote:They are in NSW Boags

Yes, the QLD situation is a little different, although, it must be said that it is a squillion times easier to get a mod plate here.

I'd still like to see rule book on this one, I'd say that cams and ecu would need an engineer's cert.

Crocaine: It is a much harder task than you are thinking. It costs a lot of money, and then when completed, you are behind factory manual cars because of the differences in build.

Find a car that has a good (well documented) history and save yourself the heartache and $$$. It just isn't worth it, there are sooooo many factory manual cars to choose from.

Boags

broady · Postby **broady** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:22 am

Why not take your wheels & zorst off, bring it back to stock (and audio system if you want), sell it, and buy a manual? You could probably get a 6-speed from the money you save from doing a conversion, too.

There are sooo many cars to choose from, manual conversions are a pain, and quick searches yielded not many results, so you have no real documentation of what needs to be done, what problems you'll encounter, etc.

In any case, are you aware how much a conversion would cost?

Fatty · Postby **Fatty** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:47 am

broady wrote:In any case, are you aware how much a conversion would cost?

any idea broady?

he'd have to change the cams too right?

i'm guessing somewhere around $3000 ?

broady · Postby **broady** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 11:15 am

Is that even including labour? I was thinking more, maybe over double that...

Fatty · Postby **Fatty** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 11:17 am

it was low ballpark guess. i wouldn't know.

broady · Postby **broady** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 11:38 am

Hrm, just had a poke around some silvia forums, they seem to be able to do conversions for around 3 grand, in some cases much much less...

Casey · Postby **Casey** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 8:04 pm

broady wrote:Hrm, just had a poke around some silvia forums, they seem to be able to do conversions for around 3 grand, in some cases much much less...

Silvia's don't have a PPF.

Alex · Postby **Alex** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 8:56 pm

Boags'MX5 wrote:
SM wrote:Engineers cert is only required when changing anything that affects the safety or emissions of the car, ie brakes, airbags, engine mods that make too much noise or bad emissions

Can you quote where that came from please. I'm not convinced it is correct.

Boags

the RTA website of course

Any vehicle with engine performance modifications requiring an engineerâ€™s certification for registration purposes is banned under the prohibited vehicle scheme.

is from
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/licensing/get ... 2faqs.html

and the file labelled "Guidelines for light vehicle modifications"

Owner certified modifications also include some non-standard modifications of a minor nature which do not affect the level of safety, strength or reliability of vital systems such as brakes and steering
Examples of minor(owner certified) modifications are:
Engine changes where the capacity increase is less than 15% above the maximum size engine available for the vehicle

I was guessing if you can change and engine without an engineers cert then cams and ecu shouldn't be a problem
it's VSI 06 and you can get it from
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/ ... i_dl1.html

StanTheMan · Postby **StanTheMan** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 9:31 pm

thats a very grey document....but thats almost to be expected from the RTA :roll:

wonder what they consider a substatial amount of power increase

this is a good one

Owner certified mods are generally those which were optional equipment for the vehicle concerned.

ROFLMHO :lol:

good luck with the ECU

lot of grey area..... you'll prolly get away with loads