Air intake for the SE

[blackster]

You Have PM.

Or will do in about 2 minutes.

Dito.

Thanks for organising this and look foward to recieving it.

[timk]

I've received payment and an address from blackster (thanks for that), is C+C happy to pick his up from blackster's place?

They don't have much room to move on the price since it's already a special price for the Mazda Speed forum members, but I'll confirm.

I will go ahead with the order as soon as I hear from PT and C+C.

Cheers

[blackster]

I've received payment and an address from blackster (thanks for that), is C+C happy to pick his up from blackster's place?

Have spoken with C+C and his happy to pick it up from me. If your going to use regular post when sending from brisi to syd, can we please organise it to be registered with insurance.

Out of curiosity is ken/aric offering insurance from the US to brisi?

[timk]

Thanks guys I have all the confirmations from you, so I'll go ahead with the order now.

Have spoken with C+C and his happy to pick it up from me. If your going to use regular post when sending from brisi to syd, can we please organise it to be registered with insurance.

He's sending two different packages, one is to Sydney and the other to Brisbane. Two intakes will be in each package, so we don't need to ship anything from Brisbane to Sydney.

Out of curiosity is ken/aric offering insurance from the US to brisi?

This is a really good point, I'm not sure if it includes insurance but I will confirm this before placing the order.

[PT]

Thanks guys I have all the confirmations from you.

Wow, that was quick and easy... well done guys... most group buys I've ever seen they take weeks and months to get the funds together, and then most people never put their money where there mouth is.

[blackster]

Out of curiosity is ken/aric offering insurance from the US to brisi?

This is a really good point, I'm not sure if it includes insurance but I will confirm this before placing the order.

As it is large expensive packages it would be appropriate for insurance and tracking. A few people i know have had had stuff go missing when buying from Ebay in the US. If ARIC wants more for insurance thats fine by me.

Wow, that was quick and easy... well done guys... most group buys I've ever seen they take weeks and months to get the funds together, and then most people never put their money where there mouth is.

I guess we all wanted the product. If the transaction goes smoothly, Im happy to buy a few other bits later on through a group buy.

[timk]

I keep reading how it improves the spool which is what I want out of it.

[blackster]

I agree with Boris when he says that adding boost is one of the best bang for buck mods for the SE, however from whats been posted on the mazdaspeed forum and its been mentioned in the development of the SMP system, your likely to run into boost creep with all the breathing mods without going down the injector/ECU pathway.

10.5 psi set by a MBC running a stock ECU in combination with all the other mods, leads to boost creep over 10.5psi believed to be caused by a poor waste gate on the IHI turbo. This brings on the engine cut by the ECU as boost has krept over 10.5psi, it appears a MBC cannot control this. The mod that appears exacerbate the boost creep the most in combination with the other breathing mods is a very high flowing exhaust. Numerous mazdaspeed owners are complaining since fitting the BEGI or FM downpipe are experiencing boost creep with there MBC not being able to control this.

http://mazda-speed.com/forum2/index.php?topic=7571.0

When i went out to SMP and spoke with IAN he showed me dynos and explained how a 3inch system in combination with all the other breathing mods of the SMP brought about boost creep leading to a boost cut by the stock ECU. The only way of retaining the 3 inch system was to piggy back the ECU, to control fueling better and psi to a certain extent. But even that has its limits as ASE05 has shown.

To the point when the SMP exhaust was made 2.5' from the cat back in combination with the breathing mods (NO MBC) the car didnt boost creep to the point where the boost cut was experienced on the dyno. Power was restricted to 132rwkw with the stock ECU, even with adding a piggy back, running more then 10psi hasnt yielded vastly greater results without having to change the injectors and turbo components.

In a nut shell, IHI turbo isnt great, injectors dont drink enough, the PTCU is conservatively tuned with too many limiters, therefore not able to handle more then 135rwkw safely.

Boris, I came accross this, the mazdaspeed appears to differ from the SE in certain aspects.

The MazdaSpeed Miata's IHI single-scroll blower produces 8.5 psi of boost to increase power from 142 horses to 178, and torque rises from 125 lb.-ft. to 166. Mazda also added a larger radiator, beefed up the engine mounts, modified the pistons, revised the camshaft, added Denso iridium spark plugs, and topped everything off with a red wrinkle finish valve cover for visual flair. The six-speed manual transmission also gets attention, in the form of more aggressive gear ratios, a stronger clutch and propeller shaft, and a shot-peened linkage for more satisfying shifting. A Bosch torque-sensing limited slip rear differential comes standard on the 2004 MazdaSpeed Miata.

8.5psi stock on the mazdaspped as opposed to 6.5psi stock on the SE, would explain why the mazdaspeed produces 178hp (131kw) as opposed to 162hp (121kw) on the SE.

http://www.aicautosite.com/Reviews/2004 ... -miata.asp

[PT]

I can't remember the codes but the SE also has a different engine to the MSM. From memory ours is a later revision of the BP engine and has a couple of things the MSM doesn't. I read this on mazda-speed.com, I can't be stuffed searching.

[timk]

Just an update; I've been speaking with PT this afternoon and he is going to contact Ken to ask about the shipping insurance as well confirm delivery addresses etc. Sorry about the delay!

I will post an update as soon as I know more.

[blackster]

121 kw is M*zd* bullsh*t. My SE was no different to any MSM stock when dyno'd at 108rwkw at Chiptorque (145 rwhp). That's typical for all the SE's I've seen and typical FM/Begi figures for the MSM's. My car was only weeks old for that figure too. 8.5psig is journo-speak, not typically off the dyno. Incidentally, my stock boost was 7.3psig.

Dyno figures using different dynometers for the same car vary as do dyno figures vary between the same stock cars.

Dyno (10/23/06) : FM Intake/Forge DV/MBC @ 7 lbs (Stock Boost)
HP:141
TQ:139

For example according to this your car produced more power stock then the above mentioned car with a FM intake. How so? Both were 4th gear power runs i believe and according to FM they claim a power increase with there intake.

I get no boost creep. The only thing I have had to do is turn the boost down with the onset of the English winter. Now temperatures have flattened out, my mbc has not been touched for a month and no boost cuts. It's my firm belief that changing the inlet system leads to these problems and it's why I have steered away from it.

You have just the downpipe correct? I did say boost creep is experienced with a complete 3 inch exhaust system in combination with other breathing mods and that mazdaspeed users have been experiencing boost crepe since fitting FM or BEGi dual gas DP down pipe with 3 inch onwards after breathing mods.

SMB, didn't they claim 13psig on a "stock ECU" when they were experimenting with Randy's car??????!!!! You have to read between the lines sometimes. http://www.smb.net.au/research.htm NOT sure who SMP is, but early Mania claims were, shall we say, optimistic.

Thats correct with a complete 3 inch system with CAI and cooler the car was overboosting/boost creping and that switching it to 2.5 from the cat back alleviated boost crepe, did i not mention that in my previous post above? How is this any different when fitting FMDP/ BEGI 3 inch system along with FM or ebay cooler and intake?

I am NOT criticising just IMHO & what suits me & possibly C+C. I chose the FM because I believe what they have to say is supported and well documented and not been shown to be otherwise. The 2.5" pipe is just fine and a significant improvement over the stock 2.25"; it's stainless and rugged.

Either am i, FM have done alot of work as have BEGi and im keen on throttle body arm and a aftermarket cooler, however I believe after applying the intake and cooler the turbo will be less restricted and may probably run upto 10 psi without physically increasing boost, whether its held there is another thing.

[PT]

I have emailed off our order guys, just trying to ring through the credit card numbers... not going to email them or leave a message on their answering machine.

[blackster]

I have emailed off our order guys, just trying to ring through the credit card numbers... not going to email them or leave a message on their answering machine.

Fair point, I thought saboteur was organising payment with his card as it didnt attract fees?

[PT]

His card, I'm ringing them.

[blackster]

His card, I'm ringing them.

If i only i had that much trust in handing cards to women.