Turbo ENVY

[Lucky_Luke]

Hey guys...

When i was checking it all out the following is the general ghist of what i found out ..or should/would have to follow...

1. Submit a Premission to modify form the Transport department, and get
approval before doing the mod (ooops!)

2. Make sure the kit complies with ADR 37/00 for emissions which was last
amended in 1988, Otherwise in sA if you dont do a engine swap with an already approved turbo engine and make your own kit on a stock nat asp. engine the engineer told me, youre up for $4000 to $6000 for a 'proper' emissions test to satisfy the ADR (ie 'not' a probe reading at your local tuner). which by the way we arent even guaranteed to pass..

3. Now we need an engineer to carry out a handling and braking test,
which is like b*llsh*t anyway for another $3000 worth.
Theoretically the car will still stop just as well from the same speed as well as corner,ive really only added like an extra 20Kg of weight if that. So its just annoying and most likely just a money making scheme. I suppose they're just trying to keep a balance between being able to accel harder so therefore be able to stop harder... but this process as mentioned by astro they almost do it for free in eastern states in comparison??
But I do think for my own good a brake upgrade is highly recommended.
They will also more than likely recommend the gearbox , diff and brakes be upgraded. which might be another $2 to $4K worth for good stuff.

I would be completely detuning my car to run on like 2psi before letting the engineer and regency drive it.
The other annoying thing is that regency has a list of preferred engineers that they want you to use in SA for the engineering process...

4. For myself to put it through regency id have to convert all back to stock as possible so theyve nothin to pick on.

SA is notoriously strict on modified cars and Its a hell of a nightmare but i
think they just do it to try and scare people from modifying theircars, and itsonly those that are serious that spend the money to do it.
I think this is why we dont have that compulsory road worthy test every re rego like NSW etc.

Hope some that helps ..

Luke.

[bark]

Luke, thanks for the informative reply.

I was recently in communications with Regency over the requirements and I can't believe that it is easier to gain approval by installing a factory turbo'd engine rather than turboing the current engine in the vehicle

I personally cannot be bothered with the time and certainly not the expense in having a turbo kit approved, this is therefore leading me down the path of installing an already factory turbo'd engine - perhaps a CA18DET or SR20DET.

[Moggy]

I personally cannot be bothered with the time and certainly not the expense in having a turbo kit approved, this is therefore leading me down the path of installing an already factory turbo'd engine - perhaps a CA18DET or SR20DET.

A B6T or a BPT will drop straight in and hook up to your current gearbox if you want something a bit cheaper and easier.

The SA government are just shooting themselves in the foot with those absurd regulations above as I would expect that most people would think 'too hard' and simply not bother to do it legally - then you just end up with a lot more illegally modified vehicles on the road than you would have otherwise...

[Astroboysoup]

thats the general process of it all to get it legal but the list of prefered engineers don't mean you HAVE to use them.. as long as the test labs that they are using meet the requirements of Regency here then you'll be ok. I can't rem what the requirements were off the top of my head. they're at work.

[Juffa]

Would I be right in thinking that an insurance company will not pay out on any claims if the car has been deemed to have illegal modifications?

J

[yarnmx5]

[quote]A B6T or a BPT will drop straight in and hook up to your current gearbox if you want something a bit cheaper and easier. [/quote]

Thats ok, but you have to use the same new engines ecu, CAS/dizzy, intake etc for it all to work.

My understanding (and I may be wrong) is that the B6T is a relatively easy swap if you use the B6 (original) CAS and loom etc.

Anyone?

[Astroboysoup]

A B6T or a BPT will drop straight in and hook up to your current gearbox if you want something a bit cheaper and easier.

Thats ok, but you have to use the same new engines ecu, CAS/dizzy, intake etc for it all to work.

My understanding (and I may be wrong) is that the B6T is a relatively easy swap if you use the B6 (original) CAS and loom etc.

Anyone?

from what i understood, that wouldn't work.. you'll need the b6t dizzy and ecu for it to work properly.. plus thats what you'll need to have to pass through the car inspection.

[Astroboysoup]

Would I be right in thinking that an insurance company will not pay out on any claims if the car has been deemed to have illegal modifications?

J

yes that right.

[Sean]

the B6T is older than the B6, I thought a requirement of engine swaps was that teh engine had to be newer than teh engine it replaces?

Also the B6t will Need:
The sump and oil pickup from a stock B6
Dipstick from stock B6
Minor mods to the head for coolant routing.
Stock B6 intake manifold (B6t point teh wwrong way)
Custom Exhaust manifold (B6T points wrong way)
Stock B6 CAS - and then all stock related euiptment which will limit perofrmance unless you got for aftermarket ECu, which then mean you need the emissions test anyway...

Just move to NSW - It's easier

[desertfox]

but i never saw this absolutely awesome race video of their turboed 5 absolutely drilling this field of porsche gt3 etc... unreal... Check it out!

http://videos.streetfire.net/player.asp ... A127AD3%20

I wonder what a "mystery mileage escort block" is. Must be using an escort engine? The vid does show the huge potential of the MX5 chassis though. Give the MX5 more power, Mazda!

[Sean]

Cosworth no Doubt

[Moggy]

Just move to NSW - It's easier

Agreed!

Or move to sunny Queensland like all the NSW people do...

And all the stuff you need to put a B6T into your NA6 are bolt-on from the B6 except a new exhaust manifold, but no one would seriously consider fitting the stock turbo (which is tiny) anyway. Definitely need an aftermarket ecu as the B6 one can't do boost and the B6T one only has one ignition output for the dizzy and you need two for the coil packs.

[yarnmx5]

not sure what you mean...if the B6T ecu runs a B6T engine, why wont it run in the mx5 body.

ie if you put the B6T in the NA6 body, why cant you use the B6T ecu...

Is there any way you can put a B6T or GTX/GTR engine in an mx5 NA6 body WITH all of the accessories, ie intake, exhaust, ecu?

[Sean]

not sure what you mean...if the B6T ecu runs a B6T engine, why wont it run in the mx5 body.

ie if you put the B6T in the NA6 body, why cant you use the B6T ecu...

Is there any way you can put a B6T or GTX/GTR engine in an mx5 NA6 body WITH all of the accessories, ie intake, exhaust, ecu?

SImple answer is no.

The B6T ECU needs the engine to be running a dizzy rather than the CAS of teh mx5.

The dizzy cannot physically fit on teh back of the engine in an MX5 shell.

[Astroboysoup]

Just move to NSW - It's easier

exactly.

it would be cheaper to pay someone to use their address in NSW or Qld, transfer rego to that state, have it engineered in that state & then take it home.

mine will be getting engineered in Qld when it's eventually done.

:O you've found my secret!!!!