SP or SE

Postby **Okibi** » Sat Jun 24, 2006 6:34 pm

Our dyno day (also today)

Stock
SE - 100.1 RWKW
SP - 108.3 RWKW

with K&N Pannel Filter
SP - 139.5
SP - 135.7

I'll post a full run down on the dyno day in its own thread.

SPy vs. SPy · Postby **SPy vs. SPy** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 1:42 am

arguments solved today

SE (even a chipped up higher boost SPMotorsports one) Vs SP (sans $5 mod) >>> definitevely solved at Mt Cotton

Hillclimb, SP wasted SE's a$$$$$$, (higher torque and redline, coupled with aggressive wheel alignment = better turn through the hairpin)

Motorkhana, SE wasted SP's a$$$ by 4 secs, even though I had the handbrake on for most of my last run, grrrrrrrrrr, I managed three consecutive 1 min 20sec's to SE's 1.20+, 1.20+, 1.16 (what the). >>
better power delivery by LSD of SE.

Plenty of runs done with SE and SP drivers in the cars at the same time.

SP owner now wants
a) New gooey tyres as current Dunlops end of life, hence very brutal treatment today

b) a bloody Guru

SE owner now wants
a) an SP :lol:

b) more aggressive wheel alignment

SE in reference is ASE05's weapon, SP in reference is my stocker.

personnally I don't understand why the SE didn't sell in droves given the amount of people who fall over themselves for a 10AE, seems to me it was pretty much the same car with a turbo in it, though it was unavailable in blue, which explains it really.

Techno · Postby **Techno** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 11:34 am

Okibi wrote:Our dyno day (also today)

Stock
SE - 100.1 RWKW
SP - 108.3 RWKW

with K&N Pannel Filter
SP - 139.5
SP - 135.7

I'll post a full run down on the dyno day in its own thread.

30 to 40% increase from a panel filter??????? ........give me two then

Gotta be something else that you aint telling us :?:

ASE05 · Postby **ASE05** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 1:18 pm

vSPyvSPy wrote:arguments solved today

SE (even a chipped up higher boost SPMotorsports one) Vs SP (sans $5 mod) >>> definitevely solved at Mt Cotton

Hillclimb, SP wasted SE's a$$$$$$, (higher torque and redline, coupled with aggressive wheel alignment = better turn through the hairpin)

Motorkhana, SE wasted SP's a$$$ by 4 secs, even though I had the handbrake on for most of my last run, grrrrrrrrrr, I managed three consecutive 1 min 20sec's to SE's 1.20+, 1.20+, 1.16 (what the). >>
better power delivery by LSD of SE.

Plenty of runs done with SE and SP drivers in the cars at the same time.

SP owner now wants
a) New gooey tyres as current Dunlops end of life, hence very brutal treatment today
b) a bloody Guru

SE owner now wants
a) an SP
b) more aggressive wheel alignment

SE in reference is ASE05's weapon, SP in reference is my stocker.

personnally I don't understand why the SE didn't sell in droves given the amount of people who fall over themselves for a 10AE, seems to me it was pretty much the same car with a turbo in it, though it was unavailable in blue, which explains it really.

I have to bite!

Arguments solved today? SP wasted the SE in the hill climb? Based on....the non-timed hill climb event? I don't think so Jim! Your claim is similar to mine of "160rwkw" :oops:

To set the record straight from a previous post, she "only" has 150rwkw. But your lil beast through those corners was quite impressive and it does pull a lot smoother from down low than mine. I'm heading to Chiptorque Wednesday to address this. We ran outta time when I was there the first time round.

Motorkhana - My best(with you as my navigator, thanks!): 1:16 Michelle(openly admits she had NO idea what she was doing - I will not admit this for myself though but it's true): 1:22....a chick driver who was just 2 seconds shy of your best. Hmmmm.

Had a blast either way and thanks for letting me experience how the other half lives :mrgreen:

. Hopefully we will be able to settle this score between us at the next QR track day(worst case scenario: Michelle kicks both our butts)

SPy vs. SPy · Postby **SPy vs. SPy** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 2:31 pm

ASE05 wrote:
I have to bite!

Arguments solved today? SP wasted the SE in the hill climb? Based on....

you screaming like a little girl :lol:

(puts poker back in fire awaiting reply)

"your lil beast through those corners was quite impressive" must be the sh*t standard suspension the SP's run :shock:

PM me if you need the details of where to get an alignment done.

p.s. I googled Michelle and ASE05, please explain how she has a surname of Schumacher :frown:

ASE05 · Postby **ASE05** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 2:44 pm

vSPyvSPy wrote:
ASE05 wrote:
I have to bite!

Arguments solved today? SP wasted the SE in the hill climb? Based on....

you screaming like a little girl (puts poker back in fire awaiting reply)

"your lil beast through those corners was quite impressive" must be the sh*t standard suspension the SP's run PM me if you need the details of where to get an alignment done.

p.s. I googled Michelle and ASE05, please explain how she has a surname of Schumacher

I hate you

!

Those one wheel burn outs from yours at the start of the Motorkhana were a real spectacle. How doI get mine to do that??

SPy vs. SPy · Postby **SPy vs. SPy** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 3:14 pm

ASE05 wrote:
vSPyvSPy wrote:
ASE05 wrote:
I have to bite!

Arguments solved today? SP wasted the SE in the hill climb? Based on....

you screaming like a little girl (puts poker back in fire awaiting reply)

"your lil beast through those corners was quite impressive" must be the sh*t standard suspension the SP's run PM me if you need the details of where to get an alignment done.

p.s. I googled Michelle and ASE05, please explain how she has a surname of Schumacher

I hate you !

Those one wheel burn outs from yours at the start of the Motorkhana were a real spectacle. How doI get mine to do that??

I hate you

!

very easily you give me your diff

but then again isn't it a silly ratio so your widdle mota can accelerate quicker

(changes poker for branding iron)

I wanna GURU

(edit) actually after yesterday I want a 4wd MX5, hmmm I wonder if Lowmiata can fabricate up a MX5 body that will fit on WRXSti running gear. :shock:

Postby **Okibi** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 3:17 pm

Techno wrote:30 to 40% increase from a panel filter??????? ........give me two then

Gotta be something else that you aint telling us

I think that bog stock SP has an issue of some sort

jules · Postby **jules** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 2:05 pm

So ASE05 and SPy?

Would either of you have bought the other car with what you now know?

Jules

Garry · Postby **Garry** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 2:49 pm

I think that bog stock SP has an issue of some sort

Only 108kw! You can say that again. The lowest power output I've heard from a SP till now was around 112-113kw. 50kw is a hell of a lot to loose from driveline losses. Was the handbrake left on?

vSPyvSPy,

Ditch the stock Mazda rolly polly suspension and get somewthing worth while. You'll be surprised how much extra power you can get to the ground even without a new diff centre.

ASE05 · Postby **ASE05** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 3:07 pm

jules wrote:So ASE05 and SPy?

Would either of you have bought the other car with what you now know?

Jules

SP - New - Outta my league @ 50K+. If I was in the market at the time the S15 probably would have gotten the nod.

SP - Now - maybe if low kays, good nick and under 30-35K. Drop the rest on mods.

SE - New - I did. I really didn't consider the SP when we bought the SE. We were in the hunt for a new car and actually went to Mazda lookin' for an Mazda 2 but got the OK from the missus and left with the SE!!

SE - Now - Newer car with more gear standard but less potential using standard turbos etc. It'd be a tough call but I think I'd still lean towards the SE as the standard gear I didn't like wouldn't stay there for too long(and nor is it going to).

Either way I don't think you can go wrong. The SP has better power potential with the turbo side of things in standard form but the SE is newer and comes with a few bits n pieces that make it lil more tasty in my eyes(my biased eyes). Hey, they're MX-5s either way so they must be good!!

SPy vs. SPy · Postby **SPy vs. SPy** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:43 pm

Hmmmmmm,

what follows is MY opinion, bugger me it's a forum isn't it.

As I have stated before I cannot understand why the SE didn't sell in droves.

I have also stated that I would never buy another (very) limited edition car again, this is why I drive a Mazda 2 every other day as to avoid the SP getting bent in the M1 carpark, btw the SP was a daily driver in Sydney as I was always heading the other way.

Also, looking at it from a cost point basis is a bit difficult as when the SP was being sold or even when it was originally to have been sold, normal sales were quite strong so the $$$'s were there for Mazda to get, when the SE was released every man and his dog knew that the NB was end of life and they didn't necessarily not want an SE but wanted/had been sold on the NC, from memory this forum itself discussed NC's for 2-3 years before the 1st one got sold here. That being said if the SE had arrived with SP/ASE05's level of go, then Mazda would have kicked themselves in the nuts with sales of the NC, especially if they were 40K with leather and air :shock:

If I was to wake up and find the SP wasn't in the shed (as did MX5SP)
As when I discussed it with AD when he bent the Silver SP, which at the time gave him the option of another SP, an SE (new) or stick the cash in the bank for 6 months and get an NC. I'm of the opinion MX5SP made the right choice, especially since he fluked the other white one (though it still has my number plates on it).

If my original NB8A hadn't of had a sh*t gearbox in it, I would have never ventured near a mazda dealership in search of anything else, 5 years on and I find myself reflecting over the following:

Bought SP new, in doing so probably threw away two house deposits.
Toyed with the idea of buying GURGLR when it was for sale a few years back.
Mulled over the idea of getting an SE as a leased car (leaving SP in garage) advantage at end of lease, SP has Bilstiens, Torsen, set of spare 17inch rims

At the end of the day any 5 gives you a grin, thats why when I first drove one I was hooked, line, sinker, Bismark, Titanic. I had to have one, no matter what/where I was, I got my sh*t together pulled on my studying cap (for the first time ever) and went out and acheived my dream. Actually at the time my brother was in to me to get an SS commodore, which at the time I looked at, when I got the 5 he shook his head, bloody japanese rubbish, since then he's been for several spins in it, borrowed it for a day, been on a run with the Cobra club, and has even done a skidpan day in it and has even bought the GATE models (yes plural) of the 5 for himself as well as giving me the same cars for xmas presents. His comment shortly after the Cobra run, \"I get it now\", roof off, 60kph, big grin.

If it really came down to it and the SP went missing, either Jim Grohn would be scatching his head one morning or Jules would be, and I'd know nothing about it :mrgreen:

as for ASE05's car, I don't have an ASIO clearance for nothing, excuse me sir but that seems to be a weapon of mass (tyre) destruction :mrgreen:

. Oh! and Sandeep it appears you have been in India aiding the Afghanis, sorry one black SP siezed as \"profits of crime\"

Also for the record the new ND will be made entirely of duralumin, have a supercharged 2.5 litre V6 producing 250rwkw and will only be available in 7 shades of Blue.

Jules, have I answered your question.