cams and roll bars and drifting :(

[bpt4w]

lol rain mate if you had a b/d roll bar and black seats you would have my car lol , oh except for my paint falling off everywhere.

those wheels are just getting to popular way its going i might dump the fast car theme and go for bling instead.

[rain902]

lol rain mate if you had a b/d roll bar and black seats you would have my car lol , oh except for my paint falling off everywhere.

those wheels are just getting to popular way its going i might dump the fast car theme and go for bling instead.

hehe whaddayamean? my paint is most definitely falling off, my car is a pressure wash free zone! gotta love japans acid rain!

my other wheels, and my roll cage...

[Ted]

I would contact the head scrutineer for CAMS in your state, and ask him for advice. Quite a few of the senior scrutineers will offer their time to check rollcages during the build stage, including measuring with driver and helmet in the car. They did that for my old 5 anyway. Then he supplied paperwork which I took back to CAMS, and he told me to make sure that the logbook has clearly marked in it that it is ROPS checked and approved. I never had a problem with that since, except for in Targa Tas where they questioned the 2\" rule, but one look in the logbook and they were OK with it. I only had std seats modified too to lower a bit. But its a bit of a silly rule as my nav is 3\" taller than me and its never checked with him.

With my current tin-top, I reckon the nav's head would get pretty close to the crossover diagonal under the lid. So I just have to make sure I have short navs or mount the seat lower.

[bpt4w]

i did contact cams and did talk to the guy in charge of the rules area, it was a case of to bad get a roof or a decent roll bar (well for drifting anyway).

lol rain i ment a roll bar on the silver mx lol , whats that roll bar in by the way.

[rain902]

i did contact cams and did talk to the guy in charge of the rules area, it was a case of to bad get a roof or a decent roll bar (well for drifting anyway).

lol rain i ment a roll bar on the silver mx lol , whats that roll bar in by the way.

its on my alfa.

the drifting / rollbar issues are odd - given that cams requires a 2NS (non speed event) licence for drifting. Ah well, such is life...

[Sheck]

I'm comming into this pretty late, but are all your drifting events in Sydney CAMS events?? We are pretty lucky up here in QLD as all the practice days are non-CAMS (we're covered/need a AASA licence) and as such we can get away with alot, i dont even think we need a roll bar for MX's?! I've never tried and i think i've been the only one drifting an MX, or a convertible for that matter, so i cant say for sure. The only time we need fully CAMS approved cars is when we enter a CAMS event, which is only the Drift Nat's.
And i think they are only just now thinking of making people install a fire extingisher!!!!
But yer we are a bit bubble wrapped with some of our practice sessions as they dont give us enough run up to get into the top of 3rd or mid 4th to get massive entries for some of the bigger corners

Either way it's pretty annoying in our grassroots level of motorsport.

Dave

[rain902]

I'm comming into this pretty late, but are all your drifting events in Sydney CAMS events?? We are pretty lucky up here in QLD as all the practice days are non-CAMS (we're covered/need a AASA licence) and as such we can get away with alot, i dont even think we need a roll bar for MX's?! I've never tried and i think i've been the only one drifting an MX, or a convertible for that matter, so i cant say for sure. The only time we need fully CAMS approved cars is when we enter a CAMS event, which is only the Drift Nat's.
And i think they are only just now thinking of making people install a fire extingisher!!!!
But yer we are a bit bubble wrapped with some of our practice sessions as they dont give us enough run up to get into the top of 3rd or mid 4th to get massive entries for some of the bigger corners

Either way it's pretty annoying in our grassroots level of motorsport.

Dave

errr - read your aasa insurance policy and the aasa regulations and see exactly what you are covered for my friend...

[rain902]

and dont read into that that I am a cams lover - i like and support the idea of competition in the marketplace and when it comes to cams vs aasa the product being sold is insurance and risk management - thats what you get when you fork out for a track permit.

[bpt4w]

yeah unfortunately drift events here seem to be cams lvl , but there is still the drifting you can do at track days (the type were u turn up on sat and go fast on the track) but it is highly frowned apoun since the track controllers are still only just getting to terms with drift as a sport , even though most of the tracks run drift days they are usually organised events with the track hired ect.
I used to live at willowbank (well actually 2 k up the road) and did a lot of driving round the qld circuit and yeah they usually only give you the quick drift mainly for slower drifting and let chance you go off and hit the cement blocks (though a lot of guys still come close to pit lane turn off wall) . You also have to remember this is the same track that has burnout comps and gets a decent crowd for it (hmm is that a mullet and some flanno i see) so things are pretty lax compared to the stick up the bum guys here.

Think ya self lucky up there because the only place that comes close to all the motorsport that goes on at the willowbank complex is oran park and it doesn't do even a 10th of the amount of stuff you get there, on any weekend (or weekday to be correct) you can find autocross/kanacross/drag/drift/circuit/burnouts/motorcross/karts , oh and some madman who does skydiving there as well , the qld government was very smart to put it all in one place , now all they have to do is install a train stop there for the big events when you can't get your car out for 4 hours of traffic jams to the highway.

[bigdog]

errr - read your aasa insurance policy and the aasa regulations and see exactly what you are covered for my friend...

Actually rain902, you'll be surprised to know that the policy AASA use is exactly the same as CAMS - Same insurer, same underwriter and same policy. One of my colleagues has researched this thoroughly and has looked through the documents first hand, so there is no difference as a competitor. The only thing AASA lack is a track record of what actually happens when something goes wrong - CAMS has long established procedures and actually looks after all parties pretty well when ther is a serious accident, AASA are an unknown quantity in this regard.

The bummer is that under these policies the maximum payout available to a permanently disabled competitor is $64000, which is nowhere near enough to cater for said person's needs... and I have not found anyone who will offer private insurance for on track injury, so self insuring seems to be out of the question as well... so lets just pray that nobody we know gets hurt out there!

[bpt4w]

think thats pretty much all sport these days though

[irwin83r]

god i hate insurance companies

insurance and government.. have to be two of the biggest pains in the bum out there... eager to take your money but not willing to pay out when requiered