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Ms tuning assistance

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 6:51 pm
by elitee
Hi.

Just wondering if someone is able to help me out getting my car running on my ms2.

Car is boosted and has 850cc injectors and its making me have big issues getting it started and idling.

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Re: Ms tuning assistance

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 7:08 pm
by NitroDann
Show up at mine at noon with beer tomorrow. haha.

Where are you from ill be at wsid all day if you want to show up and ill give you some pointers.

Dann

Re: Ms tuning assistance

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 7:18 pm
by elitee
NitroDann wrote:Show up at mine at noon with beer tomorrow. haha.

Where are you from ill be at wsid all day if you want to show up and ill give you some pointers.

Dann



Wish i could Dan but the car doesn't start at all, and somtimes it does kick over and will just die after it gets flooded ... i live about 10 minutes away from WSID in Kings Park

Re: Ms tuning assistance

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 7:21 pm
by NitroDann
If you have a second car, and you want a hand, how about you give me a lift from the track and Ill have a look with you?

Dann

Re: Ms tuning assistance

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 7:25 pm
by elitee
NitroDann wrote:If you have a second car, and you want a hand, how about you give me a lift from the track and Ill have a look with you?

Dann



Done. Will be more than happy to pick you up from the track.

What time you looking at ?

Do you want me to drop you off back there after ?

Re: Ms tuning assistance

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 7:38 pm
by NitroDann
PM recieved and sent one back.

Dann

Re: Ms tuning assistance

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:02 pm
by NitroDann
Sumo tune? Havnt heard the term? You mean changing up a huge set of blocks at a time?

Dann

Re: Ms tuning assistance

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 9:01 pm
by gslender
If you tell me the specs of the engine, in detail, and ms2 firmware version, I should be able to send you a tune that will start, idle and be a good base to tune from.

G

Re: Ms tuning assistance

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:00 pm
by elitee
T25
Log manifold
3 inch Turbo back exhaust
Bosch ev14 850cc injectors
Stock fuel pump
Intercooler
Innovate mtxl
Tps
Ms2pnp purchased from you not to sure of the firmware



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Re: Ms tuning assistance

Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:38 am
by elitee
elitee wrote:T25
Log manifold
3 inch Turbo back exhaust
Bosch ev14 850cc injectors
Stock fuel pump
Intercooler
Innovate mtxl
Iat
Ms2pnp purchased from you not to sure of the firmware



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Re: Ms tuning assistance

Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 8:44 am
by gslender
elitee wrote:T25
Ms2pnp purchased from you not to sure of the firmware


Ahh, the DIYPNP2 right? I think it has 3.1.2 firmware. Can you email me the tune you are running right now, and I will send you back an adjusted tune that should start the car. Just the MSQ (tune) file.

G

Re: Ms tuning assistance

Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 9:30 am
by elitee
gslender wrote:
elitee wrote:T25
Ms2pnp purchased from you not to sure of the firmware


Ahh, the DIYPNP2 right? I think it has 3.1.2 firmware. Can you email me the tune you are running right now, and I will send you back an adjusted tune that should start the car. Just the MSQ (tune) file.

G


Just sent you an email with the msq

Re: Ms tuning assistance

Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:01 pm
by gslender
Just looked through the tune, and change the Reqfuel to 3.6 (from 12.7) with those large injectors. It would be dumping too much fuel and flooding it I would say.

Without more info on what specifically is stopping it from starting, I can't suggest anything else. A log and more descriptions on the behaviour - ie does it catch and stall out immediately or does it not even fail to start? Have you checked sparks? Is fuel being sent out the injectors? Is the timing close enough to start (CAS adj) ??

G

Re: Ms tuning assistance

Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:10 pm
by elitee
Have tried changing the req fuel to that already after the change is made the car doesn't start at all.

Spark plugs were flooded, so I gave them a clean and there fine now.

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Re: Ms tuning assistance

Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 5:03 pm
by gslender
Does it spark? Have you tested to confirm? If your are 100% sure spark is working, then you'll need to get a timing light to confirm that CAS is correctly timed along with the configurations Trigger Angle/Offset deg... I think in the tune it is set to 4 deg, but that might be wrong depending on the angle of your CAS etc. It won't start if that's way off.

Also, when you say it "won't start" I'm assuming it is turning over, and there is not even a sign of ignition or any spark lighting the fuel.... which tends to suggest either no spark or spark is so out of timing that it can't combust.

Another trick I've found works is to have someone turn the key, and with the CAS bolt loose, turn it slowly until it catches, and then you can hold it in a rough position whilst the engine kicks over, starts, idles and then hopefully stays running - when so, you can then use timing light to confirm timing and adjust.

As always, come back with lots of details and information so that we can review and provide advice.

G