FAQ: Clubman

93_Clubman · Postby **93_Clubman** » Tue Sep 15, 2015 11:07 am

Ken, Clubman VINs are random. The Clubman sticker was used across the board, but the Bilstein sticker wasn't. All NA & NB MX5s got a vehicle information sticker on the driver side door jam (so on the body proper not the door) - it's the details on that sticker that differ. Sometimes this sticker isn't present or is visible. Re confirmation or otherwise as a Clubman ring or email Mazda Australia on 1800 034 411 or <CustomerServiceEnq@mazda.com.au> with the VIN requesting verification.

bruce · Postby **bruce** » Tue Sep 15, 2015 3:28 pm

Being a Clubman adds zero value to a car. All the special features are not that special anymore (Bilsteins worn out, bracing - easily added).
I own one and I didn't pay a cent premium for it.

chrons_rotary · Postby **chrons_rotary** » Tue Sep 15, 2015 11:51 pm

Thanks for the info guys, good to know that it doesnt add value, now i can do some more mods without worrying about the value.

93_Clubman · Postby **93_Clubman** » Thu Sep 17, 2015 5:27 pm

Thanks for your post Bruce as it provides an opportunity to remind forumites of the known differences between the NA8 & NA8 Clubman, ie TorSen diff, Bilstein dampers, thicker front anti-roll bar, 1993 LE tie rod ends, Clubman sticker on bootlid, & hollow spoke or semi-hollow spoke NA8 wheels on some.
Ref TorSen, a number of NA & NB owners seem keen to retro-fit them.
Ref the Bilsteins, advice from Heasmans, the NSW Bilstein distributor & specialist is that Bilstein allows for 5% wear in their product for every 100k kms: viewtopic.php?f=44&t=55639&p=701623&hilit=5#p701623
Jonosx from Heasmans has similarly indicated that they'll be close to fully effective even after many kms as long as they're not leaking: viewtopic.php?f=30&t=48651&p=611593#p611593
Ref thicker front anti-roll bar, a modest upgrade, but part of the package. Indeed, the US R Package (the Clubman equivalent) can be emulated by retro-fitting the slightly thicker ADM NA6 (except for the 1993 LE) rear anti-roll bar.
Ref 1993 LE tie rod ends, these improve the steering feedback on any lowered NA or NB, which the Bilsteins achieve, & are retro-fitted to other NAs & NBs.
Ref hollow spoke wheels, second lightest wheel behind the BBS of the same size offered from the factory.
Ref Clubman sticker, must be worth at least $100 as Lou has one for sale at the moment. :mrgreen:

Redbook disagrees with you, & shows Clubmans to be worth more.

I guess if you think a Clubman isn't more valuable, then an MX5 LE isn't either. But of course it depends on what a buyer wants, ie a low volume desirable variant (Clubman, LE, SP or SE), a low volume desirable colour (Malibu Gold), originality, low kms, service history, etc.

Btw, you may not have paid a cent premium for your Clubman, but you did pay a premium for it's SR20DET conversion etc, which eclipes anything that might be paid for it being also being a Clubman - which retains a TorSen diff, & possibly its thicker front anti-roll bar & sticker.

taminga16 · Postby **taminga16** » Fri Sep 18, 2015 9:04 pm

Re; the above. And now it is not a Clubman at all.
Greg.

93_Clubman · Postby **93_Clubman** » Sat Sep 19, 2015 1:49 am

Australian delivered MX5 VIN numbers:
Model-Eng--Build date range-VIN number range
MX5-1.6-B6-3/89-8/92----JM0NA306100100001-200000
MX5-1.6-B6-8/92-9/93----JM0NA306200200001-210000
MX5-1.8-BP-9/93-12/94--JM0NA30P300100001-200000
MX5-1.8-BP-12/94-12/95-JM0NA30P400100001-200000
MX5-1.8-BP-1/96-11/97---JM0NA30P500100001-200000
MX5-1.8-BP-1/98-9/00----JM0NB30P100100001-200000
MX5-1.8-BP-8/00-8/02----JM0NB30P200200001-300000
MX5-1.8-BP-9/02-10/03---JM0NB30P300300001-400000
MX5-1.8-BP-9/03-12/04---JM0NB30P400400001-?-production ceased 12/04, but some complied in '05, ie SE
MX5-2.0----7/05-?/0?------JM0NC30F100100001-?
MX5-2.0----?/0?-?/1?------JM0NC...
MX5-2.0----?/1?-?/1?------JM0NC...
MX5-1.5----?/15-?/?--------JM0ND2EA6...
MX5-2.0----?/15-?/?--------JM0ND...

Where for an NA8:
J-Japan
M-MAzda
0-Car
NA-Model
30
P
3-model revision number
0
0-Hiroshima
1.....-car build number

StillIC · Postby **StillIC** » Sat Sep 19, 2015 9:48 am

93_Clubman wrote:Redbook disagrees with you, & shows Clubmans to be worth more.

Redbook usually disagrees with the market. In this, the information age, where we all have access to prices all over the world, Redbook is losing its value. Carsales is a much better Redbook than Redbook.

93_Clubman · Postby **93_Clubman** » Sat Sep 19, 2015 1:13 pm

Redbook only provides a rough guide & definitely has a number of limitations, but for the sake of providing an example in this instance it's something we can point to. My understanding is Redbook values were/are based on buyer declared purchase data from Vicroads etc. Of course, many buyers will adjust this figure as stamp duty is calculated on it, so it's not perfect, but gives a localised starting point. Glass' Guide would be useful, but many of us don't have access to a current version of it. Agree, Carsales is also very useful, especially to gauge the overall market in terms of a particular vehicle, but it's highly aspirationally in terms of it reflecting asking prices, & for variants it can be problematic as some sellers list their vehicles incorrectly.

chrons_rotary · Postby **chrons_rotary** » Thu Sep 24, 2015 5:16 pm

Just rang to confirm that i do indeed own a genuine classic red 93 Clubman.

93_Clubman · Postby **93_Clubman** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 11:17 am

Good to know Ken - contacted Mazda Aust re the NA8 advertised as a Clubman, & they advised the VIN provided in the pics attached to the ad wasn't from a Clubman.

green machine · Postby **green machine** » Tue Oct 13, 2015 8:41 pm

i guess it is not the value that the car has but the fact that it was part of a limited number and its history. How ever look at the VW Kombi, back in the late 80's they were 500 to 2000 now they are both 20 times that. Time does funny things to cars?

Guran · Postby **Guran** » Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:52 pm

StillIC wrote:
93_Clubman wrote:Redbook disagrees with you, & shows Clubmans to be worth more.

Redbook usually disagrees with the market. In this, the information age, where we all have access to prices all over the world, Redbook is losing its value. Carsales is a much better Redbook than Redbook.

Redbook was acquired by Carsales.com Limited in 2008. They're both part of the same business known as the Carsales Network. When you place ads on Carsales, it automatically offers valuation estimates based on the data supplied - and those valuations are based on Redbook. I imagine that the valuations in Redbook are largely derived from actual sales data on Carsales. In other words, the two are inextricably linked and the only difference is that the prices you see on Carsales are for cars that are not sold, whereas Redbook is based on actual sale prices - so there is a time lag and a disparity in offer/sale amounts.
http://www.redbook.com.au/carsales-netw ... _tnet=true

StillIC · Postby **StillIC** » Wed Oct 14, 2015 8:04 pm

Guran wrote:Redbook was acquired by Carsales.com Limited in 2008.

Well bugger me! Thanks Guran. Redbook certainly looks quite different to the last time I visited the site (maybe pre-2008?). Looks like a red version of Carsales now.

Guran wrote:When you place ads on Carsales, it automatically offers valuation estimates based on the data supplied - and those valuations are based on Redbook. I imagine that the valuations in Redbook are largely derived from actual sales data on Carsales.

There appears to be some circular logic in the above...possibly even a positive feedback loop!? Is there actually a way for Carsales *sales* prices to be fed back to Redbook?? I wouldn't bother filling out any details after I had sold a car, if I didn't have to. And if I did, would I do it honestly and accurately???

The below link suggests they do lots of research to get prices from many sources, but I would be interested to know how accurate the data are. I can almost guarantee that the dealer I bought my last car from won't be reporting an accurate sales price to anyone. And I don't like the RMS's chances of getting good data either! I also disagree with some of Redbook's comments, particularly around there being no difference in pricing geographically. Redbook obviously hasn't tried to buy a BA/BF Ford Falcon wagon in Newcastle recently. Or one with LPG...assuming there were any for sale here for the last month! I found a ~$1000 difference in asking price, which must translate to a difference in sales price, surely. Hmmmm.

http://www.redbook.com.au/help/FAQs?csn_tnet=true

93_Clubman · Postby **93_Clubman** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 1:23 pm

Given the Clubman's TorSen 1 diff, & recent posts, some TorSen 1 & 2 info follows:
viewtopic.php?f=29&t=70378&hilit=torsen
viewtopic.php?f=29&t=54030&hilit=torsen
viewtopic.php?f=29&t=52542&hilit=torsen
viewtopic.php?f=29&t=50009&hilit=torsen
viewtopic.php?f=29&t=48030&p=603541&hilit=torsen#p603541
viewtopic.php?f=29&t=45238&p=610826&hilit=torsen#p610826
viewtopic.php?f=29&t=38095&hilit=torsen
viewtopic.php?f=29&t=23188&hilit=torsen
viewtopic.php?f=29&t=16721&hilit=torsen

93_Clubman · Postby **93_Clubman** » Sat Jan 09, 2016 12:09 pm

93_Clubman wrote:
93_Clubman wrote:Thanks to Guran, below are MX5 sales in Aust year by year to end 2011.

2012: 159
2013: 178
Source:
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=60012&p=783338#p783338