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MX5 Mania Tech Night (ECU)

Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:05 pm
by Alex
MX5 Mania Website wrote:We are holding a tech night on Wednesday 2nd of April at 6pm for the newly released Adaptronic ECU. If you are thinking of buying an ECU this will be a great oppurtunity to hear about the products available for all Mx5 models 89 through to 04. No need to book just come along! See you all there
Regards
MX5 Mania Team


I should be heading down but probably not in the 5 given the start time and day (only finish uni at 5)

so who else will be going??

Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:50 pm
by marcusus
Wasn't aware of it, but I might tag along. I should be able to finish work at 5 and be able to get there by 6 without too many dramas.

Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:59 pm
by Fatty
that adaptronic thing sounds like a really excellent peice of kit.

Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:58 pm
by Ajay
not plugging it cause i work there.. but it REALLY is great... very user friendly.. David now has a 7\" screen with digital gauges running AMAZING.. please do come along should be great

Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 7:27 pm
by Gavin
I'll probably mosey over to take a look.

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 4:21 pm
by Benny
Is this still on tonight?

I'd like to drop in and check it all out.

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 9:24 pm
by Alex
it was on

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 9:28 pm
by Fatty
good? give us a rundown on the adaptronic.


is it fairly customisable? does it do variable boost control ? water injection? things like that?

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 9:51 pm
by kula
i soo wanted to be there!
damn deadlines.

Re:

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 11:26 pm
by Alex
Fatty wrote:good? give us a rundown on the adaptronic.

is it fairly customisable? does it do variable boost control ? water injection? things like that?


I sorta turned up hoping to learn about ECU's in general since I knew nothing before
for proper info I would try looking here

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 11:32 pm
by Alex
found some info for you, haven't read through the threads but the titles seemed promising, probably more available, search function is friend :D

Mx5 tuning in progress thead

Water Injection

Setting up closed loop boost control

Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:06 am
by Sasso
Only 500rpm increments? The wolf does 125rpm. But I suppose its $700 cheaper but the wolf comes with a built in map sensor and a hell of a lot more power (not engine but computing and driving - which could lead to engine power and reliability).

Sounds like it could be a good entry level ecu though, anyone want to sum up what they said about it this afternoon? I know you went marcus...

Who actually does the tuning at mania, are there any professionals there?

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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:09 am
by Alex
Sasso wrote:Only 500rpm increments?

there was talk about this, although is 125rpm incriments required? and how much longer would it take to tune?

Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:07 am
by Fatty
thanks for the links SM, i'll have a read.

Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:41 pm
by Sasso
there was talk about this, although is 125rpm incriments required? and how much longer would it take to tune?


You tell me, It all depends what you're goals are. For a low power low boost turbo or super setup you might get away with it, but if you're going to big power where there's lots of danger then the fine tuning it provides is crucial. THe engine VE is not linear and 500rpm is quite a big gap to have a straight line interpolation in between. Would you rather look at analogue TV or HD digital? So would your engine.

Regarding tuning, it would take longer to tune only if you ask them to tune it to that accuracy - which you would want to if you wanted to make big power and have efficiency and reliability. But with the wolf you can choose the resolution the map shows and can interpolate it, you can go 125, 250, 500 and 1000 rpm if you want, from memory. But the bigger the gap the rougher the tune (rough as in fuel and spark delivery, so it might go rich and not have the optimum timing for certain rpm points and waste fuel, or it could go lean and too advanced and blow your engine up, its a compromise).
Good thing with the wolf is, you can tune to the 500rpm on the not so used parts of the map and then tune it to 125rpm for WOT where it counts.

Anyway for most of the things we are concerned with it shouldn't pose a problem.

One thing I don't like about the whole \"adapting\" closed loop control is that for it to go \"Oh I need more fuel, put some in\" the fuel AFR has to be wrong in the first place, and that means a not optimal fuel delivery for the split second that it senses it, and split seconds in engines are a lifetime, so its like a band aid for not tuning it properly in the first place, mods that you add will need to be retuned or else you could wreck something or not get any benefits out of it. The factory ECU goes very rich at wot to give room for mods that people put on such as exhausts and intakes that all increase the air flow and fuel that is needed. If you change something to make it breathe better the engine with a perfectly tuned ecu you could go lean and blow it up, depending what sensor you use. Closed loop shouldn't be used to add fuel, only subtract. Any ECU tuning book will tell you that. So unless you can afford a $5000 magneti marelli or motec ECU then I wouldn't be stuffing around with closed loop at WOT.


Wolf website is here if you want to compare specs. http://www.wolfems.com.au/

My 2c