The Roadster NA Journey Begins

[Magpie]

I said may/could no real plans yet, all just voices in my head. I intend to drive it!

[toppertee]

https://youtu.be/QEyqPISdEFc

Swap the smokes with car mods....

[Magpie]

Thanks, I had to go to toilet as I also had an accident laughing

Tuesday session at QR is all about me and getting some feedback on the car. All I will be adjusting is tyre pressures and maybe a twist of the suspension knobs.

[MattR]

No..... Do not touch the suspension if the car felt good at Morgan Park, in fact even if it felt sh*t at Morgan Park DO NOT TOUCH the suspension.

Your biggest problem in getting time out of the car Mark is not having a base to learn from, you keep changing things so you don't know whether an improvement is you or the car.

Give me a welder for 20 minutes before you use the car again, you will have nothing to adjust......

Best cars i learnt to race in were the cars with minimal adjustments that couldn't be altered at the track, so I was stuck with what the settings were for a weekend. The car was basically fixed, and was only changed when I wasn't going faster, so any improvements were due to my improvements until a change could be made.

[Magpie]

All good points. The only changes at Morgan Park was Chris suggesting to put a couple of clicks on the front suspension to slow the weight transfer and keeping the tyres at 31 hot.

I have the notes from Morgan Park and not making any changes I have to stop putting the voices in my head on the Internet .

Appreciate all the advice/suggestions/slaps on the wrists

[Magpie]

Car played up again, the miss is back.

Session 1:
Coils (VDO) Tapped - 1
Un taped (VDO) - 2,3,4
Order 1,2,3,4
CAS - 3
Fuel - 98
Session 1 by Eipeip, on Flickr

Session 2:
Coils (VDO) Tapped - 1,4
Un taped (VDO) - 2,3
Order 1,2,3,4
CAS - 3
Fuel - 98

CYL 4 still colder despite being taped. CYL3 ran colder as well
Session 2 by Eipeip, on Flickr

Session 3:
Coils (VDO) Tapped - 1,2,4
Un taped (VDO) - 3
Order 1,2,3,4
CAS - 3
Fuel - 98

4 a bit cooler, however no change to 4. The car was dríven so as to avoid the miss hence temps are closer.
Session 3 by Eipeip, on Flickr

Session 4:
Coils (VDO) Tapped - 1,2,3,4
Un taped (VDO) - Nil
Order 1,2,3,4
CAS - 3
Fuel - 98

4 a bit cooler and 2 a bit hotter however no change to 4 or 2.
Session 4 by Eipeip, on Flickr

Session 5: No Innovate data. Plugs pulled out and inspected, general consensus was very good. CYL1 maybe a little lighter in colour than the others however there was no fouling of the plugs.
Tapped (VDO) - 1,2,3,4
Un taped (VDO) - Nil
Order - 4,2,3,1
CAS -2
Fuel - E85

Session 6:
Tapped (VDO) - 1,2,3,4
Un taped (VDO) - Nil
Order - 4,3,2,1
CAS -2
Fuel - E85

2 ran hot and 3 colder.
Session 6 by Eipeip, on Flickr
Session 7:
Tapped (OLD) - NIL
Un taped (OLD) - 1,2,3,4
Order - 1,2,3,4
CAS -2
Fuel - E85

CYL2 a little warmer than the rest, the main change was the old COP's installed.
Session 7 by Eipeip, on Flickr

Session 8 (1). Almost undrivable, came in after a few minutes.
Tapped (OLD) - NIL
Un taped (OLD) - 1,2,3,4
Order - 1,2,3,4
CAS - 1
Fuel - E85

Only change was the CAS from the previous setup. CYL 1 was a lot hotter than the rest, however in general the EGT's were all over the place.
Session 8.1 by Eipeip, on Flickr

Session 8 (2)
Tapped (OLD) - NIL
Un taped (OLD) - 1,2,3,4
Order - 1,2,3,4
CAS - 3
Fuel - E85
A little better with a change in the CAS, but still missing. CYL2 a little warmer.
Session 8.2 by Eipeip, on Flickr

[Magpie]

First run on the AD08's and all I have to say is WOW. Despite the issues with the car the tyres were giving more grip than I have had before...

This is the G Plot of the AD08's on the Clubman.

The plot shows that I really need to work on the left hand turns as only getting 1 g, however there are only 2 left hand turns on the clubman. It took about 5 sessions to get the temps to satbilise at 32 hot. They gave very good feedback when they were getting too hot, it was obvious when they were over 36 psi hot compared to 32. I started with 28 cold and after each session they were let down to 32 hot, by session 6 they needed no real adjustment.
Advan AD08 by Eipeip, on Flickr

Compare to the FZ201's again on the Clubman (JapNats)

G Plot looks almost the same, however the FZ201's have a wear rating of 60 as opposed to the AD08's of 180 (from memory). The FZ201's give very obvious feedback when over 34 hot like the AD08's however unlike the AD08's the FZ201's don't enjoy being pushed when too hot and will let go without much warning.
FZ201 by Eipeip, on Flickr

Overall very impressed with the AD08's and it will be good to run them when the car is running at 100%. However after the day I had driving an underpowered car I think that I could have gone faster with the FZ201's...

[Magpie]

Apple for apple check, this is from the first session of JapNats in May when the car had no miss (sticky rear brakes though). TPS not displayed as it has been reconfigured since this file was done.

Coils (VDO) Tapped - NIL
Un taped (VDO) - 1,2,3,4
Order 1,2,3,4
CAS - 2
Fuel - E85

JapNat E85 by Eipeip, on Flickr

[ManiacLachy]

Needs more pretty pictures of cars . This technical stuff goes miles over my head! The only thing I kinda understood was the tyre comparison.

[Magpie]

I will try and get some pictures of the car in future

[Magpie]

The car is now back at its second home. Spoke to Jason on Saturday and when he asked when did I want it back I got a perverse pleasure in saying "Monday". Suffice to say I'm not getting it back on Monday

Jason is going through my notes and data and will keep me informed of progress. Good news, at least for me the miss was present when it was taken for a test drive.

Its next outing will be Cootha Classic then a complete check up before it leaves for WTAC on 13/10/15. Depending on the Cootha Classic possibly Max Attack on 19/09/15 as this is the only opportunity I will have for track time between now and WTAC. Hopefully it will then get out to the SDT Morgan Park day on 24 October.

[Dweezle]

Sorry for the dumb question.
Trying to read your G Plot between the AD08 and FZ201s.

It looks like you are pulling more lateral G with the AD08R consistently vs the True RSpec.

Is this the case??

I have never used a Rspec and i use the AD08R also, so i a trying to find out how much of an improvement i will see if i Pony up the $$$ !!

[Magpie]

Dweezle you are reading them correctly! I'm as surprised as you are. With the FZ201's I should be able to generate more corner grip, but looks like I have not been. Again it comes down to the driver, simply I'm not driving the car to its potential. It is only now that I'm starting to 'push' the car.

It would be good to get another test at QR on the FZ201's once the engine is back to normal and do a direct compare again. What I now know I feel I can get around QR a lot faster.

Whilst this may not have a direct impact the plot on the FZ201's were also when the rear brakes were dragging. It was very noticeable during the recent session that when the brakes were released the car did not feel like it was held back.

[Dan]

Dweezle you are reading them correctly! I'm as surprised as you are. With the FZ201's I should be able to generate more corner grip, but looks like I have not been. Again it comes down to the driver, simply I'm not driving the car to its potential. It is only now that I'm starting to 'push' the car.

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Yeh, you can see in that G-G diagram how much better you are getting at driving the car. The transitions onto the brakes, into the corner and back are almost like it's a different driver.

I think going back onto the R Specs you'll be faster.

42:22 in this video does a good job of explaining how to read the plots and what a good plot looks like if you were interested in getting more than just G information out of them https://vimeo.com/84929470

[oztrackdays]

I borrowed a new set of The fz201 Falkens after a tyre blowout. They were so rubbish I just gave them back and packed up early. Worst Tyres I have ever been on track on.