Ben Sale's white 1990 NA6
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Re: Ben Sale's white 1990 NA6
Thanks guys, hadn't done an update almost two months... So thought I should
The Corsa is actually surprisingly stable at 200... It's only if you have to brake at that speed that it becomes... ummm interesting... That photo was on a long downhill section of Autobahn, on flat road you're lucky to hit 180 ;) I hit about 220 in the Clio at Nurburgring... But was slightly too busy to take a photo !
The Corsa is actually surprisingly stable at 200... It's only if you have to brake at that speed that it becomes... ummm interesting... That photo was on a long downhill section of Autobahn, on flat road you're lucky to hit 180 ;) I hit about 220 in the Clio at Nurburgring... But was slightly too busy to take a photo !
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Re: Ben Sale's white 1990 NA6
bensale wrote:(big contrast to driving in France...)
From my experience with Parisian drivers, you must have been feeling suicidal to drive in France!
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Yep... Absolute nightmare driving there... I don't like trains but I caught the train around instead of driving because it was so much easier. Regional France isn't too bad though
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Is this the footage you took?
You haven't been credited.
http://fails.failblog.org/2011/11/08/ep ... -mod-fail/
You haven't been credited.
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Yes..! And I actually sent them a message and commented on that video... Seems the comment has been deleted..?
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Next update will be related to my car.. This update is more about why there hasn't been updates
Firstly here are a few more videos from Targa High Country. For those who said the main daily videos needed more mx5's there is now a whole video devoted to Targa Racing & the NC mx-5's they run, as well as one for the Hankook TMR / Tarmac Mag Evo & the Iron House Lamborghini. The next event is Targa Wrest Point in late January.
The videos with John Bowe driver training are also about to be released. The performance course video features some guys white mx5 and also has a shot of the Boak's mx5s too.
And the final one is me at the Nurburgring in a Renault Clio 200 Cup. Such an incredible experience. I was really lucky with the weather being so good considering the time of year but it was still very... patchy... with a few corners like ice and others perfectly dry. Enjoy!
Firstly here are a few more videos from Targa High Country. For those who said the main daily videos needed more mx5's there is now a whole video devoted to Targa Racing & the NC mx-5's they run, as well as one for the Hankook TMR / Tarmac Mag Evo & the Iron House Lamborghini. The next event is Targa Wrest Point in late January.
The videos with John Bowe driver training are also about to be released. The performance course video features some guys white mx5 and also has a shot of the Boak's mx5s too.
And the final one is me at the Nurburgring in a Renault Clio 200 Cup. Such an incredible experience. I was really lucky with the weather being so good considering the time of year but it was still very... patchy... with a few corners like ice and others perfectly dry. Enjoy!
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Over the last few months I've been acquiring a few parts for the car, I've gotten around to installing some of them.
The first was a small thing, a set of Racing Beat adjustable sway bar endlinks. The benefit of these is that you are able to adjust the length so that the swaybars are parallel which means the sway bars are more effective (the angle the bars end up at on a lowered mx5 with standard end links are quite bad..) Cheers to Cheyne for getting a good price on them. I installed these with orangemx5 as he had access to a hoist which made the job a fair bit easier! When I first drove with them I didn't really notice any difference, however I got the rear lengths wrong and when I re adjusted them at home to the right length it made a subtle difference to the handling of the car, it was noticeable that the rear was slightly stiffer.
On the same day as fitting the end links we fitted quite a special part to my car which I was given a little while ago.
I'm not sure exactly what these extractors are (beyond them having a Jasma stamp indicating they're Japanese) but they're a special part as they came off Sasso's car. They were fitted to his car while it wasn't turbo'd. I also had a set of Jackson Racing extractors at the time and these looked to be a nicer flowing system. Although even if they weren't I would have used these extractors anyway due to their significance.
The difference in the car with these fitted was pretty noticeable, a fair bit more mid range torque which smoothed out the power band making the car feel less peaky. They also took some of the anger out of the exhaust note...
I also have a set of his brake pads fitted (Hawk HP+) They are 1.6 pads... However, I run 1.8 brakes. My rotors were a bit worn so I decided to try fitting some of the Hawk NA6 brake pads I was given.. And guess what they fit perfectly as the callipers are the same! I never had a problem with the stopping power of the na6 setup ( I only bought the 1.8 ones as they were a good price and look better) so I'm happy to keep running these pads until the 2 set run out. However the lip on the rotor looks a bit funny!
With the next extractors fitted the positioning of my exhaust changed and the catalytic convertor stated to hit the PPF.
I figured that it was a good chance to replace the catalytic convertor, something I've been meaning to do for a long time. I went with getting a 100cel cat. The two benefits were size (fixing the issue of hitting the PPF) and flow (fixing the issue of a dying cat)... I liked this option due to the price too. I didn't wan't to de-cat due to the environmental implications and threat of the $10,000 EPA fine, and there is no way a 100CEL will be a flow restrictor on an N/A MX-5... The other side of this was the new sounds the car makes. It's a lot louder & angrier... but it still quietens up on constant throttle when cruising. If you hit the right revs when changing gears it occasionally pops too!
The final thing installed was a Lock Stewart CAI which I was lucky enough to pick up for free in the MX5 Vic club magazine. I installed this yesterday with Orangemx5. We also built a DIY one for him. It has seemed to make a bit of a difference to the responsiveness of the car and a little power. Unlike the Mania intake this isn't what I would call obnoxious. It actually has quite a subtle sound in comparison and doesn't rattle the car to pieces like the mania one. Although maybe it would sound more intrusive if you had a quieter exhaust. I like more noise to come from the back of a car than the front so I'm very happy with the sound I have now.
One of the other parts i have coming soon is a Torsen diff... However I want to keep the same diff ratio so if anyone has a 4.3 gear please let me know! I can run a 4.1... Which ratio do people think is preferable on the track?
The first was a small thing, a set of Racing Beat adjustable sway bar endlinks. The benefit of these is that you are able to adjust the length so that the swaybars are parallel which means the sway bars are more effective (the angle the bars end up at on a lowered mx5 with standard end links are quite bad..) Cheers to Cheyne for getting a good price on them. I installed these with orangemx5 as he had access to a hoist which made the job a fair bit easier! When I first drove with them I didn't really notice any difference, however I got the rear lengths wrong and when I re adjusted them at home to the right length it made a subtle difference to the handling of the car, it was noticeable that the rear was slightly stiffer.
On the same day as fitting the end links we fitted quite a special part to my car which I was given a little while ago.
I'm not sure exactly what these extractors are (beyond them having a Jasma stamp indicating they're Japanese) but they're a special part as they came off Sasso's car. They were fitted to his car while it wasn't turbo'd. I also had a set of Jackson Racing extractors at the time and these looked to be a nicer flowing system. Although even if they weren't I would have used these extractors anyway due to their significance.
The difference in the car with these fitted was pretty noticeable, a fair bit more mid range torque which smoothed out the power band making the car feel less peaky. They also took some of the anger out of the exhaust note...
I also have a set of his brake pads fitted (Hawk HP+) They are 1.6 pads... However, I run 1.8 brakes. My rotors were a bit worn so I decided to try fitting some of the Hawk NA6 brake pads I was given.. And guess what they fit perfectly as the callipers are the same! I never had a problem with the stopping power of the na6 setup ( I only bought the 1.8 ones as they were a good price and look better) so I'm happy to keep running these pads until the 2 set run out. However the lip on the rotor looks a bit funny!
With the next extractors fitted the positioning of my exhaust changed and the catalytic convertor stated to hit the PPF.
I figured that it was a good chance to replace the catalytic convertor, something I've been meaning to do for a long time. I went with getting a 100cel cat. The two benefits were size (fixing the issue of hitting the PPF) and flow (fixing the issue of a dying cat)... I liked this option due to the price too. I didn't wan't to de-cat due to the environmental implications and threat of the $10,000 EPA fine, and there is no way a 100CEL will be a flow restrictor on an N/A MX-5... The other side of this was the new sounds the car makes. It's a lot louder & angrier... but it still quietens up on constant throttle when cruising. If you hit the right revs when changing gears it occasionally pops too!
The final thing installed was a Lock Stewart CAI which I was lucky enough to pick up for free in the MX5 Vic club magazine. I installed this yesterday with Orangemx5. We also built a DIY one for him. It has seemed to make a bit of a difference to the responsiveness of the car and a little power. Unlike the Mania intake this isn't what I would call obnoxious. It actually has quite a subtle sound in comparison and doesn't rattle the car to pieces like the mania one. Although maybe it would sound more intrusive if you had a quieter exhaust. I like more noise to come from the back of a car than the front so I'm very happy with the sound I have now.
One of the other parts i have coming soon is a Torsen diff... However I want to keep the same diff ratio so if anyone has a 4.3 gear please let me know! I can run a 4.1... Which ratio do people think is preferable on the track?
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Great update, Ben. You have done very well to acquire and fit all of these.
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Re: Ben Sale's white 1990 NA6
bensale wrote:adjustable sway bar endlinks.
Sounds like you got this right. The intention is to remove any preload on the bar between the left and right of the car, and to position the ARB correctly (particularly necessary with a lowered car)
bensale wrote:brake pads fitted (Hawk HP+) They are 1.6 pads... However, I run 1.8 brakes.
Note this will mean compromised braking performance. Consider the image below which I have whipped up.
Two pad surfaces of the same size, however the red pad will theoretically stop better than the blue. The wider surface of the brake rotor (where the red pad is) rotates at a faster speed than the inner surface (where the blue pad is). So the more pad you have closer to the outer edge the better. (There is the issue of heat however)
bensale wrote:catalytic convertor
Hmm, nice cat.
bensale wrote:However I want to keep the same diff ratio so if anyone has a 4.3 gear please let me know! I can run a 4.1... Which ratio do people think is preferable on the track?
If you're going 7" diff, get one of the 4.7 ratio gearsets....
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beavis wrote:Note this will mean compromised braking performance. Consider the image below which I have whipped up.
Two pad surfaces of the same size, however the red pad will theoretically stop better than the blue. The wider surface of the brake rotor (where the red pad is) rotates at a faster speed than the inner surface (where the blue pad is). So the more pad you have closer to the outer edge the better. (There is the issue of heat however)
I had this pointed out to me by another forum member... It makes a lot sense and I hadn't thought of that when I put the pads in... However, would the performance be the same as the same pads with na6 rotors as the position and therefore speed should be the same. I'm now thinking maybe I could run these as street pads and get something really extreme for the track...
4.7... Hmm... I'm seriously considering a 4.44 over the 4.1 depending on price... I've found out 4.3's are quite hard to find... 4.7 would be interesting, mx5 geared like a mountain goat! Still it probably wouldn't be too short even at P.I so I could see it maybe working...
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Re: Ben Sale's white 1990 NA6
bensale wrote:However, would the performance be the same as the same pads with na6 rotors as the position and therefore speed should be the same.
If you are asking, "Is my current config of 'NA8 brakes with NA6 pads' equivalent to running just 'NA6 brakes with NA6 pads'?"
Then I would say, yeah probably. I wouldnt use it on the track, but would on the road.
Get Hawk Blues for the track, $100 or so from the US. (ebay)
bensale wrote:4.7... Hmm... I'm seriously considering a 4.44 over the 4.1 depending on price... I've found out 4.3's are quite hard to find... 4.7 would be interesting, mx5 geared like a mountain goat! Still it probably wouldn't be too short even at P.I so I could see it maybe working...
You are wise enough to know what you're doing, but if you haven't already, have a look here: http://www.solomiata.com/RingandPinion.html
4.44 would be the best compromise between track performance and highway mileage (or should that be kilometreage?).... you use your MX on the road a lot more than I. Even I wouldn't go any higher (lower?) than the 4.44
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I ran the car with the brakes like this at Wakefield back in October... It didn't seem to be an issue, i wasn't really uncompetitive... But I was having problems with braking points all day and struggling to get a feel for threshold... Maybe it was the car but it was more likely me not understanding the track completely. I think when I get the car back on the track for the sake of $100 on pads and a set of new rotors I'll do that. I'm going to be out of it for a bit though as I need to invest in some other things before I buy a new set of wheels and tyres.
I think 4.44 is the way to go. Awaiting a PM on that one... I hadn't looked at solo miata regarding diffs actually, good to know that i need a different pinion gear too! I was thinking about highway mileage (kilometreage just doesn't sound right!) today as I'm actually driving the car to Sydney tomorrow and potentially again a few weeks after. Anything dramatically shorter would make that horrible (or even just driving to Winton). When i get the Alfa back on the road I think I'll use it more and hopefully it will be reliable enough to do a few interstate trips...
I think 4.44 is the way to go. Awaiting a PM on that one... I hadn't looked at solo miata regarding diffs actually, good to know that i need a different pinion gear too! I was thinking about highway mileage (kilometreage just doesn't sound right!) today as I'm actually driving the car to Sydney tomorrow and potentially again a few weeks after. Anything dramatically shorter would make that horrible (or even just driving to Winton). When i get the Alfa back on the road I think I'll use it more and hopefully it will be reliable enough to do a few interstate trips...
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Re: Ben Sale's white 1990 NA6
Ben, the braking zones at Wakefield are starting to develop ripples in the tarmac due to heavy usage. Turn 10 is the worst, because it has a very specific line. It means you can't brake quite as hard all through the braking zone. Tricky track!
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That could explain it.. I didn't think of the track, was just confused by the inconsistency in the way the car was reacting under brakes. I trail brake so could explain why the front end wasn't sticking like it normally would.
Agreed, tricky track. Can't wait to go back!!!
Agreed, tricky track. Can't wait to go back!!!
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Engine bay (in need of a good clean) now looks like this
I'm half way through insulating my airbox.. The amount of material that i've managed to scavenge so far was enough to do one half of the airbox properly. So I did that, covering the bottom and exhaust side (my scientific tests of placing my hand on the box indicated that covering the other two sides would be a waste of time.. Just have to do the front half of the box now..
I also fitted my new air filter... I know it's overkill... But it was good to buy off a client ;)
At garage cafe last night drkkos removed my carbon canister for me cleaning up the engine bay a bit and removing a few kg from the car. Today I decided to remove the Helmholz Chamber... Yes I know why it is there.. Although I was intrigued to see how the car reacts with my aftermarket CAI and this removed and if there is a drop in torque. If anything there seemed to be an improvement... However instead of simply just removing it I cleaned up the airflow in the intake too by simply taping over the hole allowing the air to stick to the outside of the pipe. I think I might need to test this when I get the car back on a dyno.
My lastest conundrum relates to air flow. A friend of mine did some math relating to the flow capacity of the AFM and figured that the car won't make more than around 82RWKW with it fitted. So basically I have 3 options... Deal with that as being my power ceiling and just have fun with the car as is (don't spend more money and time)... Install the internals of an MX-5 AFM into an RX-7 AFM / use an RX-7 AFM. Or get an after market ECU such as a Megasquirt PNP, Adaptronic etc...
I also got my new wheel last night, looking forward to these being orange and wrapped in some nice semi slicks!!!
I also borrowed -alex's idea & fitted one of the handgrips Envy Scooters gave us. Envy are one of the supporters of the Targa Australia videos, maybe we can open up a new market for them!! (it actually feels really nice to use and looks the part too!!!)
Finally, Targa Wrest Point is coming up in a week, so keep an eye out for the daily highlights from that event!! As a warm up we shot this on Tuesday with Dean Evans from Tarmac Magazine.
I'm half way through insulating my airbox.. The amount of material that i've managed to scavenge so far was enough to do one half of the airbox properly. So I did that, covering the bottom and exhaust side (my scientific tests of placing my hand on the box indicated that covering the other two sides would be a waste of time.. Just have to do the front half of the box now..
I also fitted my new air filter... I know it's overkill... But it was good to buy off a client ;)
At garage cafe last night drkkos removed my carbon canister for me cleaning up the engine bay a bit and removing a few kg from the car. Today I decided to remove the Helmholz Chamber... Yes I know why it is there.. Although I was intrigued to see how the car reacts with my aftermarket CAI and this removed and if there is a drop in torque. If anything there seemed to be an improvement... However instead of simply just removing it I cleaned up the airflow in the intake too by simply taping over the hole allowing the air to stick to the outside of the pipe. I think I might need to test this when I get the car back on a dyno.
My lastest conundrum relates to air flow. A friend of mine did some math relating to the flow capacity of the AFM and figured that the car won't make more than around 82RWKW with it fitted. So basically I have 3 options... Deal with that as being my power ceiling and just have fun with the car as is (don't spend more money and time)... Install the internals of an MX-5 AFM into an RX-7 AFM / use an RX-7 AFM. Or get an after market ECU such as a Megasquirt PNP, Adaptronic etc...
I also got my new wheel last night, looking forward to these being orange and wrapped in some nice semi slicks!!!
I also borrowed -alex's idea & fitted one of the handgrips Envy Scooters gave us. Envy are one of the supporters of the Targa Australia videos, maybe we can open up a new market for them!! (it actually feels really nice to use and looks the part too!!!)
Finally, Targa Wrest Point is coming up in a week, so keep an eye out for the daily highlights from that event!! As a warm up we shot this on Tuesday with Dean Evans from Tarmac Magazine.
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