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Re: Guran's NA6 "Little Reddy"

Postby Guran » Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:24 pm

PaulF wrote:I just read through this thread from start to finish; great read. I have a lot of respect for your approach of "modifying the driver before modifying the car", if you know what I mean. :)

Wow! :shock: Good effort there Paul :D . I'm glad to hear you enjoyed the thread. I'm still learning every time I hit the track and so long as that continues, I'll keep on enjoying life without mods. 8)
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Re: Guran's NA6 "Little Reddy"

Postby manga_blue » Wed Jun 01, 2011 11:20 pm

Guran wrote:Smart Roadster (Sep 2004) 1:21.53
Slightly off topic, but I've really gotta admire the guy who did 1:21 in a Smart. I'd assume that involved no slowing down whatsoever for corners. :D
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Re: Guran's NA6 "Little Reddy"

Postby Guran » Wed Jun 01, 2011 11:24 pm

Guran wrote:MINI Cooper (R50 and R56) is gutless without the boosted engine

Hmm, I stand corrected. The R56 Cooper might actually be a candidate, but it's a longshot. With 90kW and 1075kg, it has 84kW/kg which is on par with the previous gen Suzuki Swift Sport but still not likely to trouble an NA6. The R50 Cooper is a bit slower with 85kW, 1050kg and 81kW/kg.

After perusing the back pages of Wheels magazine, I found a few more longshots ... although they're likely to be at least a second a lap slower than an NA6.
Citroen DS3 DStyle (2010-), 88kW, 1075kg, 82kW/kg ... but it's an auto!
Ford Fiesta (2009-), 88kW, 1087kg, 82kW/kg ... a bit quicker than the previous gen
Honda Jazz VTi (2008-), 88kW, 1070kg, 82kW/kg
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Re: Guran's NA6 "Little Reddy"

Postby Guran » Sun Jun 05, 2011 6:36 pm

You don't often see much in the way of track tips for Eastern Creek. So I thought I'd give a run down of how I tackle the track in my standard NA6 MX-5 on Bridgestone RE55s. I don't claim this is the best way to get around EC, but it's the best I've managed so far. Plenty room for improvement, and all suggestions are welcomed!

First of all, start with a track map with official numbering of the turns.

Turn 1
This is the scariest corner of the track because of the sustained high speed cornering which has claimed many victims over the years, including a fatality as recently as 19th March 2011. I've been gradually stepping up my commitment to turn 1 over the last year. Started with a dab of the brakes, then just had a long lift of the throttle, then I graduated to a short lift before turning in and mashing the throttle, and now finally I have the confidence to take the entire corner flat knacker without lifting at all. It is a hair-raising experience. Turn-in from the right edge of the road when you're about level with the flag marshall and hold on. The corner was resurfaced in late-April / early-May 2011 and it seems to offer substantially more grip now. My Vmin in turn 1 jumped from 162km/hr to 165km/hr and 1.0G lateral acceleration (225m corner radius). Whew! Note that I usually take it easy on my first lap and then push hard once I've got plenty of heat in the tyres.

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Turn 2
Turn 2 is a lefthand, off-camber and uphill hairpin with a corner radius of 36m. It was resurfaced just before Christmas 2010. It can be tackled in many different ways. Some prefer a double-apex tight line but I usually start wide, aim mid-track and apex late. There used to be a couple of white dots painted on the surface for this line but they're gone now. After the resurfacing, my typical best Vmin jumped from 65km/hr to 67.5km/hr in second gear, with 1.0G lateral acceleration. At the last round on 22nd May, I even managed Vmin of 71km/hr and 69km/hr which suggests that I'm washing off a bit too much speed before turning in. However, this is a corner where you're more likely to lose time by trying too hard - have patience, lots of it!

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Turn 3
This one is flat knacker in my car in third gear, nowhere near the limit of grip at the speed I have available (0.86G lateral acceleration). The corner radius is about 100m and I approach it from the righthand side of the track after carrying as much speed as possible from turn 2. Apex early and let it drift out to the left on exit - speed increases continuously after exiting turn 2 with no minima.

Turn 4
This turn is at the bottom of a dip after a quick brake and downshift to third gear, and then flat throttle and mid-late uphill apex. The corner radius is about 100m and I carry about 1.0G at a best Vmin of about 108km/hr; I held 110km/hr a couple times in April. It's possible to take it quicker but you have to be very careful with the crest that follows which causes the car to get light and lose grip. Many people lose it and hit the wall off to the right after the crest. If you do manage to hold a higher speed over the crest, you then end up too far to the left for turn 5. It's best to aim for a mid-track exit so turn 5 is lined up better.

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Turn 5
After the crest, the track drops again before rising for the nicely cambered turn 5. Because the exit is uphill, maximum corner speed is critical here. I usually start from mid-track or a little to the right (difficult after a fast exit from turn 4), have a quick dab on the brake, turn-in and plant the throttle for an early apex, letting the car drift to the outside concrete strip. I've been getting gradually braver in this corner, increasing Vmin to 103km/hr. The corner radius is 75m with a 1.1G lateral acceleration thanks in part to the track camber.

Turn 6
This a hardly a corner in a stock MX-5, merely a 0.7G kink to the right at about 125km/hr. I keep to the right after exiting turn 6, and get as close as possible to the turn 6 ripple strip to line up turn 7.

Turn 7
I struggle with this one so much that I used to use second gear - now I use third gear. It's a downhill left-hander with a 60m radius. After turn 6, I get hard on the brakes and aim for a mid-apex, getting on the throttle at the apex. There's lots of track out to the right on the exit, but it's disconcerting because it feels like you're running out of road while at the same time the car seems to bog down due to the uphill climb that follows. I managed better consistency here on 22nd May with a typical Vmin of 86km/hr and up to 88km/hr with 1.1G lateral acceleration. I don't think there's much more to be gained here except for trying to open up the radius in the first half of the corner to take advantage of the track available on exit. But that would mean apexing earlier and delaying full throttle, so maybe it's not worth it?

Turn 8
After passing under the corporate hill pedestrian bridge, the blind left-hander is another daunting corner. The bridge plays havoc with the satellite reception for the GPS datalogger, so my data here is a bit rubbery. The corner radius is about 115m, and downhill on exit. I start as far to the right as possible, turn-in after the track crests and just before I spot the apex, and plant the throttle through the corner. The car wants to run out to the right and I let it go to about mid-right. Until recently, I took this corner in third after a slight lift before turning in, but then had to shift into fourth halfway through, which upset the balance badly. At the last round, I experimented with short-shifting to fourth just before turning in, and took the corner flat without a lift. It worked very nicely, with a Vmin of around 129km/hr compared with 124km/hr previously! Lateral acceleration was 1.1G.

Turn 9 (refer Turn 2 graph above)
Turn 9 is right-hand hairpin after rounding Corporate Hill. It's cambered a bit and downhill. The corner radius is 34m so it's slightly tighter than turn 2, but you can carry similar speed due to the camber differences. I've gradually improving my Vmin here, typically with a best of 66km/hr in second gear and 1.1G lateral acceleration. However, on 22nd May I was experimenting with a mid-track turn-in and it didn't work out so well - usually managed up to 64km/hr Vmin. So, I think the best line is to start from the far left, get on the power early, apex late and let the car drift to the outside concrete strip.

Turn 10
This is another non-existent corner for a stock MX-5. It's a righthand kink at 0.8G at about 129km/hr in fourth gear. I keep to the left after the back straight, turn in gradually and apex the middle to line up turn 11.

Turns 11 and 12
Getting a good exit from this sequence is critical for a good run onto the long main straight, and it's also important to treat it as two corners. This section of track was also resurfaced before Christmas 2010 so it now offers a lot more grip. I dab the brake at the end of the turn 10 ripple strip, downshift to third and aim for a mid apex to turn 11 (sometimes riding the ripple strip), with a little trail-braking (not too much though or you'll swap ends!). I used to manage about 88km/hr Vmin in turn 11 (65m radius), but now take it at up to 95km/hr with 1.0G lateral acceleration. After the apex there's a short full throttle blast, running out to the concrete pad on the right, before lifting the throttle and turning in for the long turn 12. I like to use the throttle lift to provoke a bit of oversteer and then carry it through most of the corner. The radius is about 58m and it's uphill with camber so I can hold 1.1G lateral acceleration with the throttle planted the whole way and a Vmin up to 92km/hr. I aim for a late apex and run right out to the concrete pad on the right. Take care not to hit the concrete pad early because there's a sharp step at the front edge and a few MX-5s have bent rims hitting it.

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Finally, there's the 700m long blast down the main straight. I usually change into fifth gear at around the 200m marker, and reach a top speed of 171km/hr (I've seen 176km/hr with a tailwind and slipstreaming another car).
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Re: Guran's NA6 "Little Reddy"

Postby Guran » Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:16 pm

1:15.7020 at Wakefield Park supersprint yesterday! Running R-specs of course.

New PB! New Class 1A record! :mrgreen: :beer:

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Re: Guran's NA6 "Little Reddy"

Postby gobsmax » Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:33 pm

congrats :beer:
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Postby -alex » Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:05 pm

AWESOME!!!
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Re: Guran's NA6 "Little Reddy"

Postby Pamex » Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:37 pm

Superb effort right there!
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Re: Guran's NA6 "Little Reddy"

Postby Guran » Sat Jun 25, 2011 12:14 am

Thanks for the encouragement. I'll post a report of the last Supersprint round when I get a chance. For now, here's a video of "that lap". I was chasing down Glenn Thomas throughout the lap and it really helped a lot. :D

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Re: Guran's NA6 "Little Reddy"

Postby Okibi » Sat Jun 25, 2011 12:29 am

Congrats! :mrgreen:
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Re: Guran's NA6 "Little Reddy"

Postby NitroDann » Sat Jun 25, 2011 12:32 am

22 years on and still nothing comes close. NA6 FTW!

Very good job mate. Makes me wish mine was stock so i had such a good driver to chase and such incredible benchmarks.

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Re: Guran's NA6 "Little Reddy"

Postby russ mx5 » Sat Jun 25, 2011 12:39 am

NOT BAD "For a Young Bloke" Whats Next Mate??

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Re: Guran's NA6 "Little Reddy"

Postby Hammer » Sat Jun 25, 2011 10:08 pm

Well done Bryan. Awesome effort.

If only we can do those times on road tyres... :?
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Re: Guran's NA6 "Little Reddy"

Postby hamx5ter » Sun Jun 26, 2011 7:44 am

russ mx5 wrote:NOT BAD "For a Young Bloke" Whats Next Mate??


:shock: drive faster russ... you never know what's in that box of chocolates..
Congrats Bryan, that's an excellent achievement...
Take it easy, willya... This is getting depressing :lol:
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Re: Guran's NA6 "Little Reddy"

Postby Guran » Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:46 pm

MX5 BREAKFAST CLUB – BREAKIE IN BERRIMA – 26 JUNE 2011
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This was an interesting day to organise - substantially more complex than the MX500 last year. The plan was to merge a BreakFast Club Run, Cruiser Run, and Canberra Chapter Run with a common lunch destination. I chose the Cambewarra Estate vineyard in the Shoalhaven. Midori came up with the idea of breakfast at Magpie Cafe in Berrima. And Mark Garven and Damon Muller volunteered to lead the Cruiser and Canberra runs, respectively. I had help from Lesa Bunn with coordinating the lunch bookings and payments. With a week to go, I was a bit worried about the handful of lunch bookings that had come in. I shouldn't have fretted: we ended up with 59 people and 32 MX-5s parked up in front of the vines!

The Breakfast Club met at Heathcote Maccas from 7am and after sign-on and briefing, hit the road 10 minutes late at 7:40am. 19 cars enjoyed a pretty decent run through the Royal from Waterfall to Bald Hill, dodging several cyclists along the way. Then it was slow and steady along the coast and the spectactular Sea Cliff Bridge.

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We then climbed up Bulli Pass and detoured via Picton Road, Mt Keira Road and Harry Graham Drive. The latter is a gorgeous road through rainforest and eucalypt forest, with the odd lyrebird to dodge. After emerging at Mt Kembla, we descended slowly through suburbia and joined the Southern Freeway to Albion Park. The run up Macquarie Pass started with promise ... until we were held up by a Camry. No problem, enjoy the view instead! At the top, we turned off onto Tourist Road for a great run most of the way to Glenquarry, before we hit a little traffic. The slow bit through Bowral raised some smiles when a bush cocky in a ute pulled over to let me pass, and then got a bit annoyed when he realised there were another 18 MX-5s to come through! Oxleys Hill Road to Berrima was a nice run too. We met up with several more people at the Magpie Cafe (four locals, a couple from the Illawarra, and one bloke from Canberra), and the staff managed to cope reasonably well with our extra numbers (we had close to 30 people instead of the expected 20!).

Only about half of our party were continuing on to Cambewarra for lunch, so after another briefing, 10 cars / 14 people queued up for the short run south. We headed down the Old Hume Highway, and briefly joined the Freeway before exiting on Golden Vale Road to Sutton Forest. The route then used backroads through Exeter and Fitzroy Falls, before the descent into Kangaroo Valley. Sadly, we had slow traffic once again. The historic Hampden Bridge is undergoing major maintenance at the moment, and is still open during the day but with a walking pace speed limit.

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We encountered more than our fair share of "Sunday drivers" as we crossed the valley and ascended/descended Cambewarra Mountain, although the roads and views were no less spectacular. And finally, we arrived at the vineyard at around 12:45pm ... only an hour later than planned (due to the late start, slow breakfast, and traffic). Damon's Canberra Run of 4 cars / 7 people had arrived first at about 11:45am, and we were only about 15 minutes after the arrival of Mark's Cruiser Run of 18 cars / 36 people.

The staff at Cambewarra Estate made us very welcome with a winetasting, followed by cheese and nibblies. Then the main course arrived: an alternate drop of lamb shanks w mash or beer-battered fish w homemade chips. Dessert took it's time arriving and unfortunately some had to leave before it did - more for everyone else! It was worth the wait though: an alternate drop of white chocolate pecan tart or meringues w berry coulis. Between courses, I got to enjoy kicking a football and playing cricket with my son Alex and wife Fiona who had dríven down to meet me for lunch.

Finally, I should mention the weather. One could not ask for a more perfect winter's day for a topless drive and marque lunch. The sky was clear and blue, the morning air was crisp and cold, and lunch was enjoyed with warm sunshine.

So I count the day as a success! I hope everyone else enjoyed themselves as much as I did.

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Yes, that's my red Volvo on the left (Fiona and Alex came down for lunch), and Little Reddy is on the right (roof down)
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WP 1:11.89 | SMP-S 1:05.90 GP 1:54.93 N 1:18.09 L 2:22.49 | PW 1:02.52
PI 2:00.55 | W-S 1:12.44 W-L 1:43.36 | SR 1:33.25


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