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Best coilover for the money
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 9:40 pm
by Pumpn'Go
Hi I'm redoing my suspension and I'm trying to decide which coilovers to use.
I've found ,D2, G4, K Sport and Racing Logic are all the same.
But there are so many to chose from once your spending a bit more.
Meagan,Tein ,ISC,HSD, and so on.
Or shocks ,springs,and adjustable perches.like yellow koni sport,KYB,Tokiko alumina,etc
Please give your opinion for use on,
mx5 na 1989 1600cc turbo around 200-220hp,road use,hillclimb ,bitumen m\\khana etc
Thanks
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 9:47 pm
by CT
Tein Flex or Tein SS if you can't afford Flex. They will kick the arse of anything else in the same price range and will do all the things you want.
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:07 pm
by Pumpn'Go
Thanks
Do either of them have both bound and rebound adjustment seperatly?
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:37 pm
by Babalouie
Pumpn'Go wrote:Thanks
Do either of them have both bound and rebound adjustment seperatly?
No the Tein SS and Flex adjust bump and rebound together. You really don't get the separate adjustment unless you're willing to spend about twice what the Teins will cost.
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:54 pm
by Brad
I spent a lot of time hunting around before I went for the Tein's. For the money I think the offer the best solution and are tailored for our roads and are ADR legal.
Most of the Race guys use AVO coil overs with Race valving and generic springs with excellent results for around $1300, though hardly what you would call road friendly like the Tein SS are.
Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 2:59 am
by Pumpn'Go
HI Brad
Do you know what spring rates tein's handle,and still dampen well?
Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:31 am
by Brad
No sorry I don't. Might be worth a call to Fulcrum Moorooka to talk to their tech guru's about it.
I've seen others running the SS on the track but I don't know if their springs rates were different to the 392/280 standard.
Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:32 am
by Pumpn'Go
I got a reply from meagan coilovers,they are from tiwan like the real cheapies.
Are all tiwanese coilovers the same quality? Meagan and HSD claim to be made in a diferent factory to the rest.
Some of the drift guys cliam HSD to be stronger than D2,G4 ,K Sport,Racing Logic,and the like.So maby their is more than one tiwanese shock quality.
Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:45 am
by Pumpn'Go
It has been said the main diference in the cheap coilovers is the strength.
Some guys have snaped or bent them drifting.
The mx5 is double wishbone,so the coilover is really only a shock,not there for strength like nissan etc.
So how is the quality of dampening and adjustment on these cheapies?
The G4 actually has two year warantee .
Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 2:01 pm
by Sheck
From what i have read the cheapies are actually pretty good (D2 on ebay right now for 1050!!). If you like a stiffer spring/shock i'd got for the cheapies as the tein SS are really too soft for lots of track work (just my opinion).
I was going to get Racing Logic for mine but couldnt get them in time for the event i wanted them for so i got aragosta coilovers from japan (second hand set me back 2k delivered, new is more like 3.5k from a NZ website plus delivery).
HSD dont make them for our cars but i think they may be able to knock something up if you give them time.
Also look for the one with the least amount of clicks in the adjustment - alot of them crank it up to like 52 way adjustible but that is just way too many!! Even on my suspension, which has only 15 clicks, i need to click over two before you can notice something in the handeling.
A couple of the US drift guys say the Megans are pretty good even the first version that had 10/10kg springs were actually quite comfy for the road which says the shock is a pretty good unit. But most of them prefer to run a set called \"Stance\" - these have been revised a couple of times but i think they are good now (had problems with lowering the car). These stance units are said to be better than the Tein Flex units, but the only guy who has dríven on both is part of the company that sells the stance coils.
Just remember teins are made in china/tiawan too (nowadays), your paying for the R&D they put into the coils and possibly some better qualitly control. The ceapies just copy the better guys, that way they dont have to pay for R&D which is where a big chunk of the money goes.
Dave
Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 7:54 pm
by CT
None of the race cars in NSW use AVOs. All the fast turbos are using Teins except Brian who is using bilsteins while the NA cars mostly had koni yellows or clubman bilsteins . Having dríven on both AVO, Teins and konis in a race car, in a race......Tein flex are far superior to either of those in damping control. Seperate bump and rebound is a toss unless you are running a profesional race team and plenty of them don't understand it either! Do not waste your time with the taiwanese ones - they are pretty much crap
Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 8:42 pm
by Pumpn'Go
CT
I have been led to beleive that with bump, and rebound, i would be able to run harder springs, and yet get them to ride softer for the road.
With the ability to have soft bump and harder rebound ,to give ride comfort, not handling, Or to crank up the bump for better handling.
I'm happy for you to tell me how wrong i am,But if you do please try to explain.
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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:34 pm
by Brad
CT wrote:None of the race cars in NSW use AVOs. All the fast turbos are using Teins except Brian who is using bilsteins while the NA cars mostly had koni yellows or clubman bilsteins .
Must be why they (non-turbo) are loosing to the Qld boys then huh?
Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:49 pm
by Pumpn'Go
HI Brad
What spring rates do you use?
Where do you do most of your racing?
Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:12 pm
by Pumpn'Go
HI Sheck
I was thinking about the G4 coilovers,But as you say ,most people claim they arent bad on the track,But they wont ride soft enough for street.
My back is'nt that great so i need beter road comfort.
That is the main reason for chasing seperate bound ,rebound adjustment.