Pedders Coilover Kits

[plohl]

I'd suggest pitting a Yellowspeed car against one with Ohlins. I'd be surprised if the extra couple of thousand dollars yielded any gain in lap time.

If someone is willing to loan me some yellowspeeds, I'll do it.

Actually, iirc i can think of a certain rotor powered na running yellowspeeds at wtac that was having a bit of trouble with traction.

There is a reason most of the top runners were using mca's.

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[sailaholic]

I'd suggest pitting a Yellowspeed car against one with Ohlins. I'd be surprised if the extra couple of thousand dollars yielded any gain in lap time.

Haha, sorry Apu i know you like value for money and you seem to get on ok with Mania, but yellow speeds are farking rubish.

Also dríven two Na's back to back yellow speed and ohlins, same test loop 4 times. There was no way i could do the same speeds in the yellow speeds as the ohlins. Yellow speeds were either stupid bouncy or harsh and still not well controlled.

A friend of mine is a rally instructor / racer. His thoughts (not models specific) were "i would put old stock suspension in rather the continue to run yellow speeds"

i'd also say look at how many come up for sale from people "upgrading". unless you want super low or tweakable height....a good set of shocks and springs will out perform a cheap shitty coil over for performance on a budget.

[Apu]

I would say the same for BCs, GABs or other budget coilovers - so suggesting that I'm one-eyed just because I have a connection with Mania isn't fair. And I have said I don't get the ride comfort on the Yellowspeeds as I get with my Teins.

But yes, I do look at the value I am getting for what I am paying. That said, if I bought a new (or near new) car and I was looking for coilovers, I'd go for an upmarket set of coilovers - again, relative value.

As I said earlier on, Ohlins are probably the best on the market but I think the real value is in the daily drive where we encounter rutted streets and constant unevenness in the road surface.

[sailaholic]

I would say the same for BCs, GABs or other budget coilovers - so suggesting that I'm one-eyed just because I have a connection with Mania isn't fair. And I have said I don't get the ride comfort on the Yellowspeeds as I get with my Teins. .

I'm not suggesting your one eyed for the yellow speeds, but you do tend to defend them and suggest them ;). are there other brands just as bad? ..... probably....

But yes, I do look at the value I am getting for what I am paying. That said, if I bought a new (or near new) car and I was looking for coilovers, I'd go for an upmarket set of coilovers - again, relative value. .

- don't totally agree here... do you run good tires on your mx-5 or cheap shitty ones becasue it's a cheap car? By this thought you should be better paying less for good shocks (which is by no means a silly idea)

As I said earlier on, Ohlins are probably the best on the market but I think the real value is in the daily drive where we encounter rutted streets and constant unevenness in the road surface.

Considering that is where most of us spend most of the time driving seems a false economy to a product that suffers under these conditions?
Given what i experienced, i wouldn't run for more them a month i got PAID the purchase price. Ohlins aren't the best on the market, that would be MCA and DMS, but they cost a bit more again, but with much more rear travel. I Think if you look at the top time attack cars you will see alot of their work.... which might also..maybe...point to them better on the track if your looking for bit by bit gain ;).

Don't get me wrong i'm not having a go a you, i'm having a go at your defence of yellow speeds coilovers. Why? because hopefully someone who is looking at buy cheap coilovers might someday read this and go hmm... Instead of going and buying cheap coilvers (yellow speed in particuar because that is what i have actually had expereince with) and then going....i don't like these....but all the internet hype was pretty good......

oh and because i'm sitting waiting for a flight....

[NitroDann]

I have an old (maybe 100,000 km) set of HKS that I love, and Im no brand wanker.

If I were to replace these for 1500 or less id buy second hand quality or a shock spring combo, but then, I know what to look for, a noobie just might be better off with cheaper coilovers as at leats they are getting a warranty.

However I agree with sailaholics sentiment.

Dann

[Apu]

Fair points sailaholic. I haven't used BCs or the others so not fair for me to comment on those. For the Integra, it was a choice between GABs and Yellowspeed...Mania had a promo sale on so I grabbed them.

I have found then to be very sensitive to adjustment though - I raised them from the height Dave (Mania) set them at and the ride quality deteriorated. Then after a track session, I decided to alter them...and well, overall ride deteriorated and in the city, they're much less pleasant to ride on now BUT I put that down to me dicking around with the adjustment. So I just need to spend some time adjusting and tuning. My Teins on the other hand, need to be turned up a fair bit to feel the difference so it is harder to cock them up.

I guess I'm less concerned about "ultimate ride" as I swap between my cars and the original intention for the Integra was to strip it out and use it purely as a track car. So, for $1000...it was good enough. So just to be clear, there are better options for a greater price - that we all agree on. However, we should bear in mind that we all work to different budgets, and have different budgets...not buying just because of the brand (not suggesting that you are) like hardparkers.

As for tyres, I run Kumho KU36...again, decent value all round use

[plohl]

It is a type r isn't it? Did you need to change the suspension? Or was it a - this is track hack, need coil overs case? I wanted a dc2 type r, but got the 5 cause it was substantially cheaper and there weren't many dc2r's around at the time.

The stock shocks were good enough to get 63's iirc around qr clubman track with semis. I saw lap times from one I looked at - it had a half cage, cat back exhaust, polybushes, heavier sway bars, stock shocks and a power FC - made 150fwkw and i think the best he was doing was 62's. Can't remember the tyre's, but i think they were yoko advan's. This was a few years ago now.

They're set up so well from factory it is worth leaving them stock unless you want to seriously start smashing down the lap times. The corner weights are nigh perfect with a 70-75kg driver. Seems a bit of a shame to take something so well engineered and install a cheap coil overs in it.

[Apu]

The car is coming to 180,000kms now and it was just crashing and banging over everything. Needs new bushes.

And yes, I did figure that I might as well replace them with a budget set of coilovers. Again - I haven't found anything wrong with the Yellowspeeds on the track. There's less roll and better body control, the car doesn't wallow around or dive as much on the track...they're fine unless I decide to go racing or get really serious about lap times.

[jonosx]

what makes the customer unhappy?

In general most of the kits we have replaced have been due to the customers unhappiness with the ride and performance of the product.

Pedders excel in selling their product to the general public due to their massive advertsing budget. And for the average punter (many of whom, i guarantee, think V8 supercars use pedders shocks) their products are more than adequate.

As for the rest of the posts that are suggesting there is negligble difference between cheaper brands and their more expensive brethren, i will respectfully disagree and pose two questions.

When manufacturers or their associated tuning partners want to fit upgraded shocks to their limited editions or performace models which suspension companys do they call?

And secondly, what brands of shocks absorbers do most successful motorsport teams use?

[OurCognitiveSurplus]

When manufacturers or their associated tuning partners want to fit upgraded shocks to their limited editions or performace models which suspension companys do they call?

And secondly, what brands of shocks absorbers do most successful motorsport teams use?

I don't disagree with your argument, but:

1) You put Bilsteins or whatever in your limited edition because it's a brand that you can pimp out and charge more for. Even if there was a better/cheaper product, you'd still choose the brand name, because that's going to shift cars.

2) I think this is a better argument, but motorsport teams care about half-of-one per cent differences. That's a big difference. Track-day heros in MX5s (like me) wouldn't pay three times as much for a 1% improvement (although maybe that's what my Ohlins are). I don't think anyone is arguing that yellowspeed is better than options which are three times the price. The debate is about whether paying three times as much is worth it in the round-up.

[jonosx]

I don't disagree with your argument, but:

1) You put Bilsteins or whatever in your limited edition because it's a brand that you can pimp out and charge more for. Even if there was a better/cheaper product, you'd still choose the brand name, because that's going to shift cars.

2) I think this is a better argument, but motorsport teams care about half-of-one per cent differences. That's a big difference. Track-day heros in MX5s (like me) wouldn't pay three times as much for a 1% improvement (although maybe that's what my Ohlins are). I don't think anyone is arguing that yellowspeed is better than options which are three times the price. The debate is about whether paying three times as much is worth it in the round-up.

Having worked in the automotive industry for over ten years, both in the OE side and motorsport side i can assure you that both will use a cheaper product IF it performs as well as the more expensive one regardless of what name is written on it.

I agree though, everything comes down to ones budget.

[OurCognitiveSurplus]

This is getting pretty OT, but imho, for instance, the 10AE MX5 wouldn't have sold as well if the Bilsteins couldn't be pimped - even if it had a mazda in-house setup that was just as good.