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Postby dorifta » Wed Aug 26, 2009 6:13 am

Guran wrote:I've got Adrenalins on my NA6 and at the wet Wakefield track day last month, they had virtually no grip in the rear at the start of the day. Here's the proof:



Those first three spins were from my "out lap" in the first session. OK, the first two were probably caused by getting on the throttle too hard, but the third one (exiting the fishhook) was relatively unprovoked. After returning to the pits, I found my tyre pressures were down at around 36psi, and increased them to 40psi. I had far fewer problems after that. I have lots of camber on the rears (about 2 degrees was the most I could get with the stock set-up) and combined with low pressures on a wet track, seems to create very little grip especially on left-hand corners (due to the orientation of the tread pattern on the driver's side). In the dry, I have absolutely no complaints about Adrenalins.

Would I buy Adrenalins again? Yes. They are excellent in the dry, good in the wet with a normal wheel alignment (our Volvo has Adrenalins too - no problems with wet grip), reasonably cheap if you shop around, and being Australian made (most sizes) I much prefer to keep a bit more of my money in this country.


I used to run Adrenalins in the 32 (drift car), and I'd say they had fairly decent grip in the wet.

Don't mean to be rude (I have only owned my NB for less then a week now, haven't really pushed as hard as you have) but it looks like all your spin outs where due to driver error - wrong racing line (tyres are out in a wet line) and to need to be a little smoother on the turn in (avoid the ripple strip)!

And 40psi is wayyyy to much for the wet, I run 36/38 (dry) and 32/34(wet) on a 1300kg skyline with 8/6kg spring rates!

Try run around 32psi all over and see if there's an improvement.

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Postby THE REAL BORIS » Wed Aug 26, 2009 8:14 am

OEM Toyo Trampions, followed by a set of Goodyear F1's, followed by Dunlop Sport MAXX and now (the best to date) Continental Contact 3's.

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Postby Steve - Toyo Tyres » Wed Aug 26, 2009 9:51 am

jerrah wrote:I didn't think you'd be allowed to run rims more than 2 inches larger than standard for the NA?


NSW and most other states allow variance of + or - 15mm in overall diameter compared to the tyre sizes listed on the tyre placard. Where the wheel / tyre combination meets these regs it is legal. Replacement tyres must also have a load index that is at least the minimum stated on the tyre placard.

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Postby Charlie Brown » Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:55 pm

manga_blue wrote:I simply cannot understand this at all, Phil. I've got RE001s on 2 very different cars, although both using 195/50x15s, and they stick beautifully in the wet. I'm wondering if there was something very wrong with whatever you had them on.


Sorry missed this one earlier.

The RE001s are currently on my NC and are the Aussie made 215x45x17’s.

My route to work has been the same for the last 4 years, so I have been able to comparing them in the wet on the same piece of inclined road and through some “interesting” corners many times. The RE001s have trouble getting grip from a standing start. The T1-Rs suffered less but still lost grip as the tread wore. The PP1’s had more grip than the T1-Rs but lost it also as they neared the end of their life but at least I could move off with other traffic with both the T1-R’s and the PP1’s.
It gets embarrassing when granny in a Camry on hard tyres besides you moves off without any trouble and you sit there feathering the throttle at 2,000rpm trying to get some grip. Then there’s the corners where at normal wet weather cornering speeds you run the risk of facing the other direction on the wrong side of the road.

dorifta wrote:
Don't mean to be rude (I have only owned my NB for less then a week now, haven't really pushed as hard as you have) but it looks like all your spin outs where due to driver error - wrong racing line (tyres are out in a wet line) and to need to be a little smoother on the turn in (avoid the ripple strip)!

And 40psi is wayyyy to much for the wet, I run 36/38 (dry) and 32/34(wet) on a 1300kg skyline with 8/6kg spring rates!

Try run around 32psi all over and see if there's an improvement.

-eMz


Wet weather you should run more pressure that dry as it keeps the groves in the tyre open, decrease the contact patch size while increasing the pressure per square cm on the road thus reducing aqua planning and slippage.
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Postby JMather » Wed Aug 26, 2009 7:22 pm

THE REAL BORIS wrote:OEM Toyo Trampions, followed by a set of Goodyear F1's, followed by Dunlop Sport MAXX and now (the best to date) Continental Contact 3's.



ive got Goodyear F1's on the rear and i was impressed with just peformance in mind but not no more. the compound it too hard. good wear but i felt like the worked better with higher psi the what most people would use. about 38 to 40 was good. mabey im crazy.

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Postby manga_blue » Wed Aug 26, 2009 10:54 pm

Guran wrote:I've got Adrenalins on my NA6 and at the wet Wakefield track day last month, they had virtually no grip in the rear at the start of the day.

Ah, the debate goes on ... Guran, nobody had any grip at all, front or rear, that morning. Don't blame the tyres, blame an inch of water across the track.
I drove home down the Clyde that night on Japanese RE001s in torrential rain all the way and never felt more planted.
Charlie Brown wrote:Sorry missed this one earlier. The RE001s are currently on my NC and are the Aussie made 215x45x17’s.

I'm actually getting a bit fed up with cheap dodgy substitutions into the Aus market. Bridgestone aren't the only culprits.
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Postby dorifta » Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:52 pm

ok so would these be the 'crappy' versions of the re001?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/195-50-15-BRIDGE ... 286.c0.m14
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Postby de Bounce » Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:17 pm

dorifta wrote:ok so would these be the 'crappy' versions of the re001?


Head to the Adrenalin site and expand the "Sizes for this pattern" tab
Lists the country of origin, although I have heard of some sizes coming from other locations.

The 195/50X15 appear to be Australian made
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